Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am disappointed with the Ishtar rebalancing. It seems like when you do your homework, select a great ship, fit it properly and learn to fly it effectively someone thinks it is too good and wants to rebalance it. Not mentioning 5 years of skill training and the high cost of the ship, changing the performance is irritating to say the least. If the Ishtar is too powerful, who was responsible for its power? Do we get a refund of ISK for a crippled Ishtar?

What is wrong with the Ishtar being a great ship? Why rebalance at all? Any pilot can buy it and fly it (providing they have the skills and the ISK). If you bring a Volkswagen to a Corvette race, expect to lose. If you want to win, get your training, spend your money, buy a Corvette and learn to drive it. Oh wait, I overlooked the obvious. The Volkswagen racing commission could change the rules so that Corvettes can only have 85 horsepower engines so the poor little Volkswagens can keep up. Sounds reasonable doesn't it ! Doing this to the Ishtar fixes nothing.

I have said it before and I say it again, if this insane desire for some sort of perfectly balanced system continues, we will end up where the only real choice will be between shape and colour of these perfectly balanced ships.

Once again, for the love of all things holy, stop messing around with drones. These drone tweaks have been going on for two years now, enough already!

Bah!

1: no. Sell it. Everyone who wants to use it for no tank pve or armor brawl pvp will gladly buy it.

2: ALL of the ships that are supposed to be competitive in class with the Ishtar are a joke because of it. Deimos, Cerb, Sac, Vaga, Eagle, Muninn, Zealot... All of them will lose 1v1 and 100v100 and everything in between against a shield Ishtar. They're insane.

This fixes everything. Don't be obtuse.

People like you are the reason CCP is so scared to do what they have to for the health of their game. It's nothing but...

"Muh risk free caps teleporting across new Eden faster than an interceptor!"
"Muh SP training. I demand a refund of those points I won't use now!"
"Muh t2 production supremacy! You can't make me put my T2 bpo in danger!"
"Muh ISK ticks. 4% less ticks? Up the bounties by 10%!"
"Muh sky-netting! let me assign 3000dps to a painter fit interceptor risk free!"
"Muh afk cloaking. Let me hurt my enemies ISK grinding while I'm not playing!"

Entitlement is one of the few things that really gets to me. So I say + %#*&$@£ 1 for the Ishtar and drone changes.

A Deimos cannot tank 600 dps in ogre II damage. Especially when it's getting hammered with a full rack of neuts. Just fly away? That's not winning. That's running away. An interceptor can run away from an Ishtar as well. What does that matter? Why not dual rep with a full rack of Nos? Use the Deimos cap booster charges for yourself to run your own dual rep? That lets you use 2 webs to get the advantage in speed. Or use a tracking disruptor to drop the optimal+ falloff down to nothing? Or just let them run like bitches. Because if they engage, they lose.

nuff said.

I do not agree with the Ishtar changes at all, you've nerf'd too many other things in the process and messed up other setups just to fix the Ishtar PvP dominance.

All that was needed was to remove the Sentry Drone bonus from the Ishtar and leave the rest as is.

+1 on the Tempest changes.

Yeah, a Deimos tanks 640 EHP/s thermal damage without links/heat/drugs or overheat with just Damage Control II, 2x t2 medium reps, EANM II, and Auxiliary Nano Pump t1 rig. Also, a rack full of neuts sounds cool until you realize the cycle time is monstruous and you end up destroying your own capacitor as well, so even past the fact that you don't fit both tons of neuts AND dual reps on an Ishtar, it would still be a poor decision because you could never neut as much as you need to while also using that capacitor to repair your ship.

I'm not so sure about CCP's ideas on the Ishtar changes this time around. They're making them slower with plates and also reducing their ability to fit anything in the highslots with that PG nerf. It could potentially restrict armor tanking as well but I think it's just going to make Ishtars have even more empty highslots.

Why not?

You can fit the new ishtar to have 2 neuts, a nos, dual rep (tanks 578 DPS vs thermal/kinetic), cap booster....548 DPS with explosive drones. All before heat. Cap life of over 9 mins with the MWD off (and meta 4 instead of T2 tackle, I missed that the first time), which with scram web, it should be able to be.

Hell the thing is really quite scary.

It can even fit a cloak, if you like.


edit: Can make a fleet one with a 1600 plate, MWD...60k EHP, 425 DPS@64.4+70.2


They're pretty beastly, but the difference now is that the are slow enough to open the door to decent counterplay.

Strange. When im in my armor brawling tempest that goes 400m/s with its ab, or my typhoon (with no prop), no one runs from me. They dogpile me.

Or, if you think "well thats a BS!". I flew my armor muninn with an ab, that blazes around at 700m/s, and no one ran away from it either.

For the ishtar.. scram/web/neuts, should make it hard to run when they have no cap. And if youre being kited, i heard that sentries shoot far.

Yay another drone nerf! Tbh i think CCP finally realized how crazy OP drones were, and are using the Ishtar as a strawman to nerf drones as a whole over time. Good on them.

Anyway, talking about the tempest I have to bring up my continued annoyance at the existence of double damage bonuses on projectile ships. While i admit changing them on t1 ships would be a bit too powerful, the TFI and HFI should BOTH get an extra turret slot, and have their bonuses swapped out to 10% damage per level with 7.5% tracking speed per level. This would do a great job at setting them apart from their counterparts, and make the TFI one hell of an arty platform.

As for the t1 tempest, I propose this: 8 turret slots, drop all missile hardpoints, and change the RoF bonus out for an optimal range bonus. You'll get a solid arty platform for people to use in fleets, and it'll offset well with the increased PG requirements, forcing people to make some sacrifices if they want to fit a full rack of 1400mm howitzers.