Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey CCP, why not remove a midslot from Dominix as well and give it a low slot?! Eh EH EEEEHHHH?!

To whack the Ishtar as you say, all you needed to do is remove the ability to have sentry drones.

yes, this is also why i am against this change

you clearly have'nt seen the amount of tristans flying about FW space

It is quite good, 3 DDA, nano/overdrive, DCU, warp disruptor MWD and 3 slots for shield tank.

Losing a mid will kill that fit though, you'll have to do an armor fit.

Ok, if we aren't going to address the fact that the of all the HAC's in the game, the Ishtar gets access to battleship class weapons with all the HAC defensive bonuses intact, can we at least de facto balance or item lock the ishtar around this capability so we can carve away at some of the toxic gameplay elements it is creating?

I can understand that you want drones to be their own snowflake of a weapon system, not limited by ship class. Fine.

Lets call a pig a pig. No one uses the high slots of the ishtar for weapons systems in a meaningful capacity. Supporting the ability of people to fit the ishtar in this way is leaving superfluous fitting power that is inflating the power level of the ishtar's other use cases. Take the hardpoints of the Ishtar behind the barn and shoot them. Do the same with the fitting power allocated for weapons over utility high's.

Next lets kill two birds with one stone. We can add back in the ability of Ishtars to participate in high slot style F1 warfare by giving it a role (or gallente cruiser) bonus to Sentry Drone velocity allowing and forcing sentry drones to move with the Ishtar. Cut power from sentry damage, tracking, range, and hp bonuses as necessary. This would serve to give the ishtar ship hull access to a turret style of warfare while eliminating the edge case of Ishtars dropping sentry drones, scooting off in a distant direction applying damage all the while with everyone else unable to do a f-cking thing about it.

This would still leave the Ishtar as an immensely flexible ship. It would have in space selectable turret-analog and damage type capabilities similar to arty ships while still being able to participate in regular (heavy and down) drone warfare. It would at the same time eliminate the pants-on-head ******** damage projection situations the stationary sentry Ishtar is capable of producing.

5th time's the charm for the Ishtar, right?


Because carriers haven't been nerfed enough...?

Rise, maybe next time split the ship nerf thread away from the module nerf one, apparently people don't understand they're separate.

Then it's a conspiracy.


I do think the easiest way to explain it is it is a more powerful nerf the more drone amps a ship fits. Tristans and algoses fit maybe one drone amp and so they get a 4% bonus dps loss. Most medium ships including armor ishtars fit one or two and they lose 7.5 bonus drone dps. Shield ishtars, gilas and rattlesnakes are losing the most (assuming CCP aren't as stupid as I think they are they meant that): three amp fits lose 10% and the few four amp fits lose 11.5%.

Keep in mind that's not dps lost, that's bonus dps lost. Actual dps change is small but significant.

Sure. Can i have the pwgen and the cpu of the stratios for my ishtar? Ah and the speed too please.