Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I see the reason behind this but i still don't like it.

Also I spend a very long time training for awsome drone skills and got to love my specialized drone ships.

And yes i know changes are necessary https://embed.gyazo.com/45277828e1b46c214fe892021888099a.png

But also the 5 midslots were so amazing for armor RR brawlers :/

Will this change also affect the Tempest Fleet Issue?

I actually kinda like the DDA nerf, although it sucks that this will hurt supers. I also feel like nerfing officer DDA's is totally unnecessary as the only ships that will realistically benefit from officer stuff will be supers or the odd vastly over-pimped subcap.

IDK that this will necessarily fix ishtars the way you want to with the whole midslot changes. Removing the sentry bonus or reducing it again would probably fix things without nerfing an entire form of fitting for the ishtar. I've never seen issues with 100mn ab ishtars, the real problem has always been a ship that goes almost 2k/s with a tiny sig and can fire 500+ dps from 70km aka sentries on a fast/small sigged ship.

have you considered splitting the dps bonus into dps+rof bonus like all other damage mods do? I guess thats also the reason why the DDAs have those non integer dps boost values.

one of the reasons why ships like the worm are so silly in frig fights is because of the insane alpha. On paper they would project worse than an algos, but IF worm drones hit the frig is half dead - no time to rep against that.

Sentry drones are the problem, not drone boats - neither specific ones like the Ishtar nor all of them in general - nor the DDA.

Drone boat balance with heavy, medium and light drones is already pretty much in line with other ships & weapons. So, nerfing the DDA and the Ishtar isn't the right way to go about fixing the problem.

If you don't want to simply remove sentries from the game (which I think is really the right solution), then increase the bandwidth, so that only a maximum of 4 sentries can be fielded. This also makes heavies more viable (currently, there isn't much reason to use heavies rather than sentries).

A sentry bonus nerf would be perfect. Not the current changes.

While the Ishtar was king, the evidence over the last couple of releases suggests that isn't the case anymore; at least not in the sense that CCP identify it as the dominant pvp ship in the game. The killboard stats just don't support that conclusion anymore.

The Ishtar changes seem nice. Though I am personally going to miss the 100mn shieldtar. However it probably best balance pass yet to take away the one mid and add the low. I don't about the rest. Personally keeping the change to speed would seem alright since most people have to armor tank the Ishtar after the pass, so they are going to be slower anyways. Unless I missed something.


As for the DDA's. I would say it might be useful. The GIla and VNI are very powerful compared to the rest of the cruisers. I would personally like to see the Faction DDA's to become more common after this pass. That way I'm not paying 400mil to get the old levels of DPS I could get. I should still pay more than the T2 version for sure. But Faction DDA's are still way expensive for 23.8 percent bonus they give now.



Also yay Tempest. Asides from the Phoon I haven't found a reason to fly a Mimmie BS yet. Thanks for that. ^.^

CCP Rise, here is an idea. For crusiers make their drone bandwidth 100 instead of 125. That way they get the damage nerf without removing the "flexibility" that you're are referring to. You then would not have to blanket nerf every drone ship over and over just to fix on class of ship using sentry drones almost exclusively. BC drone boats would still have there "ninch" of 125 drone bandwitth, then bss would also be different with their tank and 125 bandwidth

Edit: might still need to reduce the hull bonus to sentry tracking and control range on that Ishtar hull, that ship is to op

all drone boats are OP. (yeah. unpopular statement, I know). Why? Because (a) your ammo is for free. (b) you got the DPS *and* the range -- usually, you have either/or. (c) you're not using any highslots for your drones, giving you a full high rack PLUS another full weapon system on top of that. (d) you're bonussed for the whole range from small to X-Large targets, whereas turret or missile boats often only get bonusses for one size.

I know, I know ... there are counters. Rock - paper - scissors ; there's always counters. But if a certain kind of ship sees so much use there IS a problem. Sure, we could stop whining and all go fly droneboats but I just don't like them. I can appreciate that randomnub likes to field the same DPS as, say, my Rupture; apply this damage without tracking or range issues, hardly any counter save for smartbombs (no, not even ECM or neuts counter your droneboat) AND a still have a full highrack of neuts for free; but when somebody then decides to take it down a notch you Gallentean scrubs act as if you've been mugged?

You can have your drone carriers. I really mean that. But let's be honest here: the issue is not just the Ishtar. The Algos, the Tristan, the Vexor (navy), the Dominix, ... they all suffer from the same disease. Your battleship can effectively fight off frigates; okay. So, where's your downside? Hybrids AND drones, for p*wnage at any range? Come on.

YES, the Ishtar is supposed to be slow because the Minmatar are supposed to be fast. As it currently stands, these Gallenteans are almost outrunning the Minmatar, with superior DPS, superior Tank, superior capacitor AND superior powergrid -- even though they don't even have to use this PG to fit a weapon. Yes I fly Minmatar. I confess. But I fly Caldari and Amarr as well, and they're all pretty much in a sweet spot: range but no tracking ; tank but no speed ; always-hits-DPS but not a ton of it ... tradeoffs must be made. Either drop the tank, drop the speed or drop the DPS -- and CCP decided to drop speed.

Which is a good thing. Consider, on the plus side, you'll be more likely to get a fight out of your droneboat once they get reasonable. As it is, I simply don't engage them because I know I'll get the short end of the stick.

This release is looking better and better every post I see It's almost arousing :-)

Currently a flight of praetors does 200 more dps than a flight of bouncers, or a 40% dps increase. If you don't see the reason there I'm afraid you can't be helped.