Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its called damage creep, its already happened a little too much.

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"In our ongoing to quest to find out exactly what it will take to move the Ishtar off its throne as the most dominant PVP ship in EVE"

CCP, if you take time to read (or skip read) the replies you've received so far you'll see the answer is simply to remove the use of Sentries from Ishtars altogether. You've prided yourselves on listening to your player community and now is not the time to falter.

What good is removing a mid slot and adding a low when it can still drop sentries and burn away and deal battleship damage, or at least out dps any ship in its class by quite a margin. The DDA nerf doesn't feel like its going to make much difference and as people have pointed out nerfing DDA's nerf's every ship in the game that uses them, some need it, other's don't.

The slot changes will make an impact on larger fleet battles, but those who use Ishtars in small gangs aren't going to be bothered by it. One less mid and one more low only means they can speed/nano it more or add more damage but still able to produce battleship damage (or damn close to) at silly ranges with low risk to the ship

So far as I can see you have two choices to bring the Ishtar in line with its group.

Option 1 - Remove sentries, leave the rest alone (clearly the most logical, easiest choice which the majority of responders in this thread have stated

Option 2 - Buff every other HAC to do what an Ishtar can do (800mm AC's on a Vagabond please) and then buff every ship above and below its class to reduce the statistics gap between them.

- 1 mid and +1 low? I like this! Makes for a better low sec armour brawler with amazing projection as well. It would be nice for a 7.5% bonus to armour reps like the demios this would be much fun for solo. But I still think that the overall resists for this ship are way too high for the sig and size and should be lowered slightly rather than nerfing everything around it ( like PG, if you want an armour brawler need that PG bois!) . Just make it unusable with sheilds problem solved yea !

Tired of seeing Ishtars dominate the PvP blob fleets? Remove Sentries from the game completly. After all it seesm like your having server problems with them. If you do not remove sentries then your going to nerf the Ishtar so bad, people will just go back to huge Dominix Sentry fleets.
As for the DDA - bad nerf. Don't do it please.
Tempest sounds nice. TFI will have to be modified to keep the balance between them though.

The mid slot / drone damage amp nerf aimed at ishtars don't make much sense, since Ishtars are already on their way out. Relevent groups are already switching. (TFIs, Machs, Legions, Proteus). You can't expect it to change overnight unless you overcompensate, like this appears to be doing. People are slow to adapt unless forced outright.

The Powergrid nerf however.....that is justified. Most drone boats have an overabundance of powergrid, and this allows them to make fitting choices other ships couldn't without massive sacrifices.

What about Fac frig, Dessie, BC, T2 frig, and Fac BS?

Leave the DDA and droneboats alone.

If you want to improve the game how about giving some "love" to the ships and platforms that the player base isn't using. Stop the continually downgrading of ships usefulness and upgrade a few ships instead.

I whole-heartedly agree with Mister Hoover. Remove the sentry damage bonus.

fit any HAC to do damage at 70 km. It's tough to get decent dps on such ships at that range. Except for the ishtar, it is ~100% better in terms of damage than the next best option.

you don't need 5% tweaks, you need a big axe

all ways making stuff better is the dumbest way to balance....

Just remove sentry bonus and stop messing with mass and speed stats,,,,, YOU REALTY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOUR DOING...
We can all see this from your now 4th change to try and bring them inline while completely missing the point to why there used like they are.