Ships & Modules

Contrary to the OP's intention, this thread has gotten me pretty interested in T1 BSs (especially that RHML Phoon) since up till now all I ever trained was T3 Cruisers and down.

CCP is working to get you into a rokh on grid right now, cross check the fleet warp changes ;)

Alpha fleet: Removed t3 cruisers every volley, primary doctrine for several years, losses per fight were as low as zero while the enemy cruiser fleets suffered total losses.

Baltec Fleet: Also alpha'ed its way through everything not a battleship.

Domi Fleet: Currently the primary doctrine, rips its way through t3 fleets like a knife through butter.

Baddon is one of the best bricks money can buy.

Is it best fitted with reps or plates? What can it be used for? Solo? Bait? WHs? Ratting?

thank you for sharing that deep and significant observation! I never would have guessed that there would be trade offs between different ship classes. I don't even know how I will use this profound new idea. My whole vision of eve has been flipped upside down. A rifter has a sig radius of 35m, where a raven has a sig of 410m. Not to mention the rifter is much faster! those are some pretty interesting advantages!

I will take these new ideas and think of new roles that smaller ships are better at than larger ships, and at the same time larger ships will be better at some things than smaller ships! Its almost as if it was by design

Ehm ok. Did you know that Dreads have 'significant advantages' over Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Battleships when it comes to shooting POS'es and stations?

The simple fact is that you can't say that smaller ships have advantages over biggers ships and then makes us believe that Battleships are worser than smaller ships at everything as there are 1 million ways you can use a Battleship that have way more advantages over smaller ships. It all depends on what you are going to use the ships for. If i really want to tear apart a bigger Cruiser fleet with a Vindicator for example, i will just unleash 2k DPS with 2x 90% webs on them where they just will die extremely fast.

Facts 101.

Yes, i have something i can say about this as i have been playing EVE since early 2004, so i have experience in flying all types of ships up to Marauders / Battleships.

Yes and I'd wager most of you PVP successes don't include you piloting Battleships. Give everyone a moment to check out your killboard. See how many kills you earned in the mighty T1 battleship.

Not any that truly factor into a large part of EVE Online gameplay, they don't. I understand EVE Online very well. Battleships are at the top of damage and tank, but the design of the game makes being in a larger hull susceptible to smaller ships. It is well documented in your own killboards that battleships stand little chance of surviving against smaller ships.

Q. Why would folks like you and Chainsaw Plankton come to my thread to tell me I am wrong?

A. These folks are heavily invested in battleships. They like to manufacture them and sell them so they get to buy their T2/T3 cruisers.

Why would people sing praises of battleships and they are their least flown ship?

Well, i hardly believes that as you are a 2011 character while i'm a 2004 character. I do understand how the ships works in every possible scenarios while you still have a loooooong long way left to get up to the experience level as i have about flying Battleships. I have Been flying Battleships since the middle of 2005. Heck, even all of my PVP videos where i fly my own ships from EVE is Battleships only to.


What about the 2x Vagabonds and 1x Hurricane that attacked me in my Vindicator in Perimeter where all died in 1 minute to me (yeah, you find those kills on my killboard aswell)?

Wasn't i supposed to die here as Cruisers and Battlecruisers are so much better than Battleships?

I had 80% armor left when they all was dead. The bottom line is, Battleships are totally fine if you have brain to use them correctly.

And this is not about what dies to what. It's all about what is the best ship for the job you are going to do. I can take my Vargur (that i currently have) and put it up against a 15 man Cruiser fleet. Who do you think will win here if they are just a normal t1 cruiser fleet roaming around that want to kill stuffs?


I fly Battleships 95% of the times i use a ship. I'm heavily specialized in using Battleships. And i have been highly specialized in Battleships since 2008, but have been using Battleships since middle of 2005.