EVE General Discussion

Well where I am, I can paint my house however I want.
But with that said, I'm not even asking for truly custom skins. The overhead on that would be excessive. But I am asking for the SKIN's selection that CCP releases, to be made available for all Hulls, and all Races.

As for why should mine be special.. Why shouldn't it? Why shouldn't I have options because YOU might not like my choices. I don't like Red Convertibles, but I go out for a drive I have the live with the fact that I may see some. It's not like people in Eve are going to have my ship in their face all the time. First, the ship you'll see most often is your own. Second, after that, most time when you see other ships it'll be so zoomed out they could be painted Hello Kitty and you'd never notice. Most that you see upclose would be in passing at best (Gates, Undocking, etc). To call me flying in a Quafe Paladin, or a Khanid Dominix diminishing your game, that's just silly. If it's really such a big issue then CCP can just add a checkbox for your client to only display the base skin, and no custom ones.. Same way you can turn off Turrets, Drones, etc.

And I agree, Lore isn't an excuse. Lore should be something that adds content to the game, not artificially limit it. If you want Lore to limit Skins, then it should limit hulls, modules, drones, and everything else too. I mean if you want lore then it can be like the old Provi Block. When they chose to fly Amarr Ships and the like.. CHOSE being the key there. No one forced them. They had their fun, while everyone else did their own thing.

Would it have any effect on you if I put a BMW logo on my 20 years old Volkswagen? Or if I change my Porsche logo for that of a Lada?

Those "Lore" question are usless since we are player, i mean Capsulier, we aren't like the NPC from each faction. As capsulier we can go in any ship we want.

If you want make Lore restriction, then why my Gallente can pilote an Amarr Cruser ? You cant ask for Lore skin restriction if you are in a different ship than your faction one.

i am ok with the "Framework" if that legit. For player/Capsulier, Lore restriction musn't affect us, we are free from Faction restriction.




what a joke ... i have test close to all ship in the game with close to all Skin avaible before the Mosaic and some new. Only some ship have truble with light refraction or bad texture application, and in a large majority it's the holdess hull skin, like Scorpion/Rattle or T3 , you talk there about 10 - 15 ship , not mush more, so what about other avaible skin that work right ?

I have seen by y own eyes the tone of ship and skin avaible without issue. You just block those feature to make money.
For proof, you increase skin price in Aurum and didn't notice player, nice mentality, what are we ? just some interesting wallet ?

Corp Skin with corp / alliance logo on the Hull will be more interesting and legit than Lore restriction, but maybe make a feature to let us put a corp logo on the hull is too hard :/

I'll add my thanks too, and I know y'all gotta strike various balances (between revenue, technical limitations lore and other things). But like I said in another thread, i'm not a vanity item type of guy but seeing those beautifl skins in-game in my incursion fleet made me open that Nex store for the very 1st time intentionally (before I learned it was a bug, I was damn well gonna buy me a gold Machariel skin lol).

Do it right and this all turns into a 'shut up CCP and take my damn money' situation, even from someone like me.

log'd in seen jungle growing out of my tempest again...log'd out

enjoyed sebiestor skin for few hours at least last night

greed is good i guess.

I think they're confused about what you're trying to say, Rain.





All of that, buried inside LONG posts that wander all over the place.

Just say: I want to pay $1 for a single ship, and $250 for a single skin to all ships. Much simpler.

It's not a bug.
It's a feature.

Good thing they fix stuff like this.

EvE is real! Real boring.

Here is my take on it.

It was cool to take advantage of the bug in the SKIN system and paint up Sarum Machariels and the like. Police Domis look ************* cool.

Of course, this broke CCP's business model for commoditising the SKIN sales to make money from space-rich nerds who want to customise their space pixels and make them look sexy...and then fight zoomed out so everyone's just a collection of little boxes.

The thing is, this bug in the SKIN system has doubtless done a hell of a lot more to promote the SKINs and generate buzz and interest in re-skinning and customising your ships than any marketing buzz CCP could have ever come up with. Ever.

Sure, Police Comets are kind of fun. But the Police Domi, or Police Tempest, they look fantastic and awesome and none of this was intended, and suddenly if I could buy a SKIN (or since i already have it, just apply it) and use it on whichever ship i wanted, then I would do that. I would save my pennies if not dual-training my alt into a gank dread for nullsec carrier killing, or dual-training my other alt to be a probe alt spy, I would totally blow a billion a month on SKINs.

However, CCP has put the kibosh on the fun, and that's understandable. However, it raises a question about whether there's alternative business models for SKIN sales and usage, which will be more lucrative for CCP.

Under the current SKIN system, you buy a SKIN for a specific ship for an account or character. If you have a Khanid Oracle, you have a Khanid Oracle. Job done, US$15 for CCP, Hilmar gets to put some fuel in his super yacht this week.

However, what if you had a Providence, and liked it when the bug allowed you to make a Khanid Providence? Fresh out of luck, you might get a Roden Providence. Or, wait, bad example: what if you have any Minmatar ship whatsoever, and want it to look badass, and don't fly the Hurricane so you can get a badass Sebiestor SKIN? Fresh out of luck, even though the Roden Cyclone was bling as hell and I want one.

CCP loses $15 from me (via hook or crook or PLEX or Aurum traded to me for ISK won from belt rats) because I won't be buying any Minmatar SKINs. I also won't be buying Quafe or Police Pursuit skins for my Cyclone, now. So CCP is losing out on $15 that way.

So, CCP has to consider that they might make more money by taking their SKIN system business model and evaluating the likelihood that people will actually buy more SKINs if they can apply them to more ships.

Sure there should be limits. Some SKINs don't transfer over well from ship to ship; they can be blocked out. or maybe, though it pains me, Amarr to minmatar skinning is illegal but you can borrow Gallente-Minmatar etc. Or maybe restrict the SKIN to a ship until it's death or repackaging, or lock it to a hull on application for a month or something, to prevent churning.

Whatever. The universe is your mollusc! But the more flexibility you give us, the more we will spend. That is the take-home from this.

I think that this bug has really shown us that people are incredibly interested in making their ships look cool - more interested than first imagined. I certainly find myself more interested in customising Minmatar ships with Amarr, Gallente and Caldari colours than with the selection of naff ones available.

This also shows that what's cool to one person (say, a CCP art designer) is not cool to everyone else (c.f. the Justice Edition Naglfar) but if you think it's cool, you're likely to buy the SKIN and apply it to whatever you think it looks cool on, and voila, CCP makes money.

So the business model needs a rethink. I think that with some tweaks, not nerfs, CCP stands to make a lot more money, and have vastly more satisfied customers, than under the rigid, locked-down system they put about initially. Viva la bugs!