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Any skin on any ship - bug on SiSi - yes we could have skins on ships

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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#281 - 2015-05-04 15:39:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page Smile


As long as being on the same page includes not devaluing the 30+ Quafe skins I'm hanging on to, I don't much care what you come up with.

Mr Epeen Cool

On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?

Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.

I'm not asking for full details obviously.
Varrgas Arthurus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#282 - 2015-05-04 15:53:00 UTC
they cant give you garanty.

The Quafe Vexor , Tristan and Dominix was for those who buy Fanfest Ticket.

The price was (of course) really heavy for those ship, and many people buyed them and sell them because they was limited for FanFest ticket only.

And after ... CCP give Free Tristan Quafe for 3 month subscription, one more vexor Quafe if 6month and dominix for years. Ok, i think there is just some player afect by the dominix, but without news about this, many player buyed a year of sub before this offer, i don't know if they have found some solution, refund or anything else, but i don't understand why CCP offer for Ticket , and virtual ticket, limited Ship skin, waiting and enjoy the money from those ticket, and after joking on the customer when offer those ticket gift in subscription gift .... what the hell ?

Simple, CCP didn't care, in 6 month CCP did so mush mystake, that obvius they just want money, and going into micro transaction process etc, maybe the new extension will be DLC soon ? i am kiding, but i am really afraid when i see what way CCP take
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#283 - 2015-05-04 16:28:54 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Even if you plan to release everything and are making an effort to do so, the pricing is... obnoxious.

OK, so why don't you give specific feedback. What do you want to see, and what price is the most you'd be willing to pay? Imagine everything conceivable is on the table.

OK, here goes.

A skin locked to one ship should cost less than that ship.

At the moment PLEX is 830 million or so, making 1 AURUM about 240,000 ISK. So I say a SKIN for a 24 million ISK ship should cost 100 AUR. A battleship at 230 million: 1000 AUR.


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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#284 - 2015-05-04 16:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Firpol
Moac Tor wrote:

On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?

Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.

I'm not asking for full details obviously.


I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank.

I know I would pay 2bil for such a license.

Edit: Unless you invested into Quafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#285 - 2015-05-04 16:36:42 UTC
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#286 - 2015-05-04 16:42:43 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:

On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?

Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.

I'm not asking for full details obviously.


I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank.

I know I would pay 2bil for such a license.

Edit: Unless you invested into Qafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive


Wow. Two billion for a full set licence?

Six months from now, you won't get a Qafe Vexor for that, let alone one of the battleships. They'll be in the 5 to 15b range depending on the model.

No, CCP. Don't even think about touching unique ship skins. Or introducing color schemes close to them on the Tristan, Catalyst, Vexor, Dominix and Megathron.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#287 - 2015-05-04 16:43:11 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.

Indeed, isn't "The value of your investment can go down as well as up" pretty much standard boilerplate in the real world?

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2015-05-04 16:57:06 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
I've already posted on reddit, but obviously I'll share here too.

To follow up on this thread, we've had a sit down today to talk shop over SKINs and everything surrounding them.

This meeting included Team Size Matters, as well as a few of the art guys, myself, CCP Seagull and our CCP Thomas, our Monetization Director.

We should have a dev blog for you guys early next week that's going to have a decent amount of content in it for you to take a look at.

All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page Smile

Thanks for the response :)

But it would be nice, since as you said, everyone in CCP is on the same page, that you share the plans with us now. Before writing the Dev Blog, that way if WE aren't on the same page, we can have a healthy discussion about it, before any final decisions are made. I mean why wait a week for a dev blog that could (potentially) leave the issue as divided then as it is now, when you guys can give us a run down now, and we can talk it out. It's not like I want specifics, I'm not saying we need dates, Aurum numbers, etc for everything. But a general idea of the direction that is being taken. Even something as simple as "We plan to make most skins available for all ships" (or not) which is probably the biggest issue at the moment. Pricing is another issue, but lets be honest, there will be fewer complaints about price, if there was (or will soon be) a greater variety of skins such that we truly can have our ships look the way we want, even if "lore" wise it's not the way the companies or Empires would prefer lol.

Additionally, this bug has created the greatest Hype for the SKIN's system. Even more than when it was announced, or released. Now is the time to engage us about it. Waiting a week only puts a damper on things. For sure it makes people less likey to spend on SKIN's cause they have no idea what the plans are next week. CCP, Ride the Hype Train. Keep the discussion up. Engage us while interest is at it's peak, and have an open discussion about what the plans are for the future, and what you've learned so far. As I see it, there's a 33% chance next week you'll say We're opening skins up to all hulls, 33% chance you'll say you guys are SOL Skins will stay by race, and 33% something inbetween.. (The last 1% is you only get skins for non-racial ships if you eat Hákarl..).. With it all in the air, why would I spend any more on them? Why would I buy more Aurum? I wouldn't.

As you said, the Dev's are on the same page, so give us the table of contents so we know the direction being taken. We don't need the full rundown, point by point, or every change and plan, just the direction that you're planning.
Cleanse Serce
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#289 - 2015-05-04 17:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Guys please, we all want shiny skins and all.

But please, don't push CCP to allow "out-of-Lore" skins.

I beg you really.

I don't want to see Sarum Hurricanes or Khanid Megathrons.
Even if i'd like to, i don't think that's a good thing for Eve.

But giving a Skin the possibility to be applied on a whole Class yes.
Like a "Frigate Khanid SKIN" applicable on all AMARR frigates ! (NOT Gallente, NOT Caldari, NOT Matari).

Instead of asking for this, ask for CCP to re-bend over what they show us on the 10th anniversary.
Yeah you know, that painting thing that we all waited for them to build a UI for ?
Remember ?

With this, anyone could make himself a skin, and apply it on any ship he wants.
It could even be tied to the corporation tabard (logo-thing) a one time painting, giving to all members a permanent SKIN, each time the CEO change it, the corporation-SKIN change (avoiding endless generation of various permanent SKIN).

But please, not for NPC Corp SKIN. I beg.
Leo Burnhart
Through The Star Horizon
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#290 - 2015-05-04 17:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Leo Burnhart
Cleanse Serce wrote:
Guys please, we all want shiny skins and all.

But please, don't push CCP to allow "out-of-Lore" skins.

I beg you really.

I don't want to see Sarum Hurricanes or Khanid Megathrons.
Even if i'd like to, i don't think that's a good thing for Eve.

But giving a Skin the possibility to be applied on a whole Class yes.
Like a "Frigate Khanid SKIN" applicable on all AMARR frigates ! (NOT Gallente, NOT Caldari, NOT Matari).

Instead of asking for this, ask for CCP to re-bend over what they show us on the 10th anniversary.
Yeah you know, that painting thing that we all waited for them to build a UI for ?
Remember ?

With this, anyone could make himself a skin, and apply it on any ship he wants.

But please, not for NPC Corp SKIN. I beg.


Here is a quote from reddid by CCP falcon
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/34t9gm/confirmed_bug_fixed_skins_reset/cqy3n9m

Quote:
I've been talking to the art guys today, given that I deal with a lot of lore for CCP.
We're all in agreement, and I think there's been a misunderstanding with regards to the lore stuff, specifically. Let's take the Sarum skin for example:
Sarum skins on Amarr ships with the red and gold paintjob and Sarum family logo - GREAT! Looks badass, strikes fear into the heart of minmatar everywhere. Job done.
Sarum skins on Gallente ships with the red and gold paintjob and Sarum family logo - Stupid idea from a lore position. Why would an imperial loyal family who think that amarr and everything about them, including their technology and way of life are superior to the rest of the cluster, put their family crest and colors on a sub-par hull? Makes no sense...
HOWEVER!
There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to say that you couldn't have a red and gold skin on a gallente ship, or a caldari ship, or a minmatar ship, that looks similar to a sarum hull but doesn't have the sarum family crest on the hull.
The only restriction right now for this is technical, based on how surfaces interact with light, eachother, the colors on them, and other such craziness. I've been talking to art, and Team Size Matters, and there'll be more information on this next week as I've said, and what the plan is going forward :)
Cleanse Serce
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#291 - 2015-05-04 17:48:08 UTC
^

Too late. :x
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#292 - 2015-05-04 17:49:40 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.

I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket.

If you come to me and buy a new car for £10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for £5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again.

Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2015-05-04 17:53:59 UTC
Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?

I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.

Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.

It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2015-05-04 17:56:14 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Masao Kurata wrote:
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.

I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket.

If you come to me and buy a new car for £10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for £5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again.

Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again.

Your logic is flawed. CCP never said they wouldn't release these skins again, or make them publicly available. CCP only promised for a Timed Exclusive. Just like those of use who got stuff from the Collectors Edition had. It's not CCP's problem, or fault, if you decided to gamble that they won't do something that will affect the price.
Memphis Baas
#295 - 2015-05-04 18:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Sniper Smith wrote:
But it would be nice, since as you said, everyone in CCP is on the same page, that you share the plans with us now. Before writing the Dev Blog, that way if WE aren't on the same page, we can have a healthy discussion about it, before any final decisions are made.


The final decision has been made; that's what "we [at CCP] are all in agreement" means, we won't be able to change this decision.

My guess is that they'll allow whatever combination of colors regardless of lore, somehow, but they probably consider the NPC corporation logos and empire logos "lore" and want to remove them from the colors system. Maybe they implement colors now, and logos at a later date when they do player logos too. I'm guessing Quafe and whatever other skins have already been purchased will keep their logos, and will thus remain unique even if other blue, gold, red, or gray hues are introduced.

And we won't get the blog until next week because they have to make sure it's feasible to code or change to this new system before they announce it and thus commit to it.

That's my guess.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#296 - 2015-05-04 18:05:09 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Masao Kurata wrote:
It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.

I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket.

If you come to me and buy a new car for £10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for £5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again.

Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again.

It's more like if you sold that car with the promise it would be one of a limited run and then fired up the production line once it was sold.

This is how it would be if CCP messed with exclusive skins that were part of a limited run. One that people spent over a hundred dollars on or traveled to Iceland. CCP said do one of these things and we'll give you something that will never again be in the game.

They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they changed that. Next year when they are trying to shill one-year time packages, people will remember this and ignore them.

That is the simple reason you don't mess with exclusive skins.

Mr Epeen Cool
Cleanse Serce
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#297 - 2015-05-04 18:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleanse Serce
Sniper Smith wrote:
Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?

I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.

Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.

It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca.


It's more like a BMW with a FORD logo on it.

The best option, would be to just give colors per texture map, like :

in () goes the Khanid exemple
1- for Hull 1 (black)
2- for Hull 2 (silverish)
3- for Light Color (blue)

Whatever, CCP has made its decision.

If you want to see our game with multicolor hulls everywhere and throw away any sense at all, go for it !
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2015-05-04 19:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Firpol
Mr Epeen wrote:
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:

On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?

Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.

I'm not asking for full details obviously.


I am pretty sure, if CCP would change al existing Quafe SKINs into licenses that you could put onto any ship, everyone that invested into them will make huge bank.

I know I would pay 2bil for such a license.

Edit: Unless you invested into Qafe Megas after the patch. Those thing have become damn expensive


Wow. Two billion for a full set licence?

Six months from now, you won't get a Qafe Vexor for that, let alone one of the battleships. They'll be in the 5 to 15b range depending on the model.

No, CCP. Don't even think about touching unique ship skins. Or introducing color schemes close to them on the Tristan, Catalyst, Vexor, Dominix and Megathron.

Mr Epeen Cool


So when they change the SKINs into proper and actually useful licenses, what do you think you would THEN get for your stockpile? They could keep adding them from time to time, for example every fanfest in some kind of promotion, and they would still be incrredibly valuable just BECAUSE they´re so useful.

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Pandemic Horde
#299 - 2015-05-04 19:06:58 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Why should LORE have any effect on how I paint my ships?

I can go out tomorrow and buy a BMW, and paint it like a Shelby Mustang. Would ford rather I didn't? Ya, but the ship is Mine, so too bad.

Using Lore as an excuse for not allowing us to paint our ships how we want, except outside of "Navy" colour schemes, is just silly. If you want to go that far, then you'd best also make sure that you can't use any ships in FW except for your faction. That Faction mods only fit on that factions ships. That if your Minm you can't run missions for the Amarr. Etc.

It's silly. If you don't like it, turn skins off. NPC's can stick to the Lore, leave us players to decide ourselves how we want out ships to look.
Now if it means that we don't get the Logo on the side, so be it. Though I for one want a Quafe Logo on the side of my Paladin. And a Wiyrkomi logo on my Orca.

kind of the same way I can't paint my house some obnoxious color "because I want to". The game as a whole has an aesthetic that many people enjoy, and an atmoshpere you can't find many other places. Let a bunch of players bling out their ships like CoD guns and there goes a good chunk of it. Regardless of how this ends up being implemented, there will be limits. I highly doubt anyone at CCp is dumb enough to let 100% happen so that the hello kitty and MLP skins come through.

So, in the same respect, I ask you why you think 'your' (its not yours unironically) ship is so special, as to remove and diminish an aspect many other players enjoy.

Also, to everyone else, stop using lore as an argument for either side. You can bend and twist the lore so many different ways to make a story true it's not even funny.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#300 - 2015-05-04 19:25:16 UTC
The equilibrium would be for me my own combination of colors and logo of my corporation on the ship.
This combination, my design corporate skin, designed for aurum, this SKIN would have to be available to corp members only when they are in corporation. If you think pink is too much, just dont include it in predesigned color palette.

For more unique skins for aurum in store (rather than only colored ships) see below, the screenshoot from 2014 fanfest. More than color, more than corporate design, the blinged cloth for your most flyed, most loved ship model. Collated by hull size, not particular one ship model, so if you have cruiser, be it tech 2 or pirate, you will buy it, because it fits and is badass.