EVE General Discussion

Undocking to a guaranteed loss is a stupidly bad move.
Undocking to a probable loss is a bad move unless there's an opportunity for serious win.

The big alliances have stabilized and blueballed because they don't want to lose a ludicrous amount of very shiny, expensive things. Unless something comes along to change the balance of power (mole), that's not going to change. This isn't the only persistent space PvP game I've seen this happen in. People join big groups for the force multiplier effect and for safety. If the group is to survive for very long, it will err on the side of caution and not pick fights it doesn't know it can win. If it bites off more than it can chew, it loses people because of the hassle of putting everything back together or whatever.

Making everything more vulnerable to loss will mean smaller, weaker groups - the groups which can't defend their stuff may as well just pack up. I've seen the homogenization of power in another one of these games (nobody wants to fight the goons there, either), and "smaller, weaker" groups only survive very long because they actually are part of the bigger ones for some reason or another, or they just get suspected of being part of that other power bloc and replaced so the other big scary group doesn't have the ability to project power from there when there actually is a fight.

If you want less blobbing, put in mechanics which inhibit it. If you don't want hotdropping to be the iwin button, make a nasty cyno inhibitor device which can wreck something cynoing in. The possibility of losing a capship to save a small cruiser fleet would make cap-blobbing whatever's about to kill it not an iwin button. The reason "just blob it" works is simple: there is no small-fleet counter to the tactic besides running away. The possibility of losing a single insert-expensive-ship-here to such a device would make the risk-averse "pvp" crowd think very hard before just blobbing to wreck something really trivial, especially those killboard-score-worshipping types.

Why does that sound so familiar....hmmmm...

Right so this threadnaught is still kicking.

Would it be game-breaking/hilariously abusable to bring insurance for T2/T3/faction hulls into line with T1?

We definitely need more trollceptors and uncatchable Tengus etc

Yes, I am risk averse.

I log in and undock when I want, not when others tell me to. I am risk averse.

I don't insure my ships, I don't care to waste isk on some game mechanic that "I think" is useless. I am risk averse.

I engage and press F1 when I have assessed the situation and have convinced myself that I will defeat the opponent. If I am successful then good, if not... learn from mistakes. I am risk averse.

My accounts I sub with my money, I will undock when I want, fly what I want, fit the way I want, and fight when I want. Could care less what other adolescent knuckle dragging F1 monkeys think. I am risk averse.

Risk averse? you can bet on it!
Reward averse, don't hold your breathe!

Next topic please

Yes, I am risk averse.

I read it as new isk entering the New Eden economy vs. selling in game items for ISK that is already in the economy. Generally speaking the first is inflationary, the second is not.

Even if the ship insurance covers the loss, i´m pretty sure that they not undock either, you want to know why?
It´s not risk aversion, That guys dont want to pvp, they just want to mine, build, explore but they dont care about pvp at all.
When pvpers are going to accept that?
Are you going to mine? Sure not, its boring, well they say the same from pvp and worst... it does not give isks.
Guess people have to respect others gamestyle, everybody in game can do whatever they want with their own accounts, its their accounts and they pay for them, so please respect others.
Find another target that want a fight...

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Don't bum on the forums. It's such bad form....oh, sorry...it's YOU.

I always thought SRP's encouraged participation, after all if the ship you lose will be replaced then you aren't in fact losing anything.

The loss and subsequent replacement also drive the industrial side of the game, benefiting and involving people who aren't directly involved in the explosions.




As for how do you stop people from being risk-averse ....

How do you stop people from being people.

A lot of people in the game has soo much isk right now, that losing supers doesn't really matter. Yet they are afraid to lose a ship. Some of that is the fun. I get the pvp rush when in a 10M rifter as when i am in a 3B dread. Others however just can't handle a red mark on the killboards. Like that killboards matter or something.