Crime & Punishment

I play it as if it was a MMORPG set in a dark hostile universe.
Group up, fly smart, don't trust anyone, don't fly what I can't afford to loose... The usual.

D.

And their claim is that they're special, so they should be allowed to have the best of both worlds.

Their claim is that the rules should only apply to them if they feel like it, and that PvP should be something that you can turn off.

Their claim is that it's somehow okay to bypass the surrender mechanic by using loopholes in the corp creation system.

Their claims are pure hypocrisy, simple as that.

I hate Vimsy with a passion... OOOOH I HATE HER.
But she's 100% right.

D.

Oh, and as for the lie of "the shotgun wardec approach means that dec dodging has to exist".

That's backwards. The shotgun wardec approach exists solely because of dec dodging. You have to spread your decs around until they stick thanks to dec dodging. And since wars aren't free, this means that people naturally congregated to larger groups to help absorb the costs.

Everything carebears complain about is 100% the result of their use of the dec dodging exploit.

Wrong. If they're disbanding, they shouldn't exist at all, they should be in an NPC corp from the beginning.

No they don't.

I know that because in 2010, prior to the inferno war changes I was in a 300 man highsec alliance and we did perfectly fine even when we were wardeced for long periods of time by different groups. I liked dealing with wardecs from random 2-10 man wardec corps, we frequently won and the people involved felt pride about helping defend their group identity. Conflict with others is compelling, much more compelling than leveling my raven (no really I used to level my raven).

In the current environment, that alliance would perpetually be cycling through wars with large, well funded dedicated PVP groups and it probably wouldn't have lasted as well as it did.

Wars aren't a bad thing, in fact I think they're necessary to make highsec an interesting place worth playing the game in, I used to view the notification of being declared war on as "A challenger approaches!" flashing on the screen.

The real problem for defenders is that the present mechanics lead to them always facing very hard opponents while also being very inexperienced and for wars to be very frequent. The problem for aggressors is that in order to get anything to shoot at they need to declare enormous numbers of wars which requires the financing of a well established group.

It's an imbalance that could be repaired and lead to highsec PVP actually being a fun thing again, but carebears don't actually want that to happen. They are only interested in seeing types of gameplay they don't like removed from the game.

Dec shields, both the alliance hopping method and declaring war on yourself with alts used to be classified as exploits and large highsec entities existed prior to those being declassified.

Dreddit comes to mind as a large, successful entity that existed as a highsec group during that period and it turns out they did perfectly well. This was also the time period where I was in a large PVE focused highsec alliance and when I started a brand new character and decided to get into the mercenary business myself.

The problems back then were pretty specific. The corporate vote system was ********, the 3 war limit was excessively restrictive, the cost of wars between two corporations was too low and the surrender mechanic was utterly non-functional.

Really all of that was just a lack of iteration, the base cost of wars should probably have been brought up to 10ish million per war, the corporation vote should not have existed and the surrender mechanic should have been made to work without both CEOs being docked in the same station.

This current system is a hot mess, and it was worse when it was initially implemented.

We've done the thing where a bunch of people declare war on marmite all at once and punch their teeth in.

It's not that entertaining.

Oh it accomplished plenty. Marmite sure as hell doesn't ally into our wars any more, actually no English speaking group does.

There's just less fun to gang up on marmite than there is to playing a different game for weeks then suddenly showimg up in force with no particular provocation, making something explode then going back to your other game.

They're a big clumsy beast that doesn't respond quickly they have poor US TZ representation. This way is much better.

It's better then stabbed farming plex's in fw all day

You see what i did there? I made a completly untrue assumption about the way you play with no reaserch for the purpose of arguing and not for the purpose of changing anything

Now to demonstrate some knowledge based on research

You don't in fact stab farm plexs all day (or if you do I'm yet to see you) You seem to be a fairly solid frigate pilot in solo and gangs and have a myriad of losses and kills to your name to show just that. You play ****** little suspect games at times (I do too incidently) and have had some success doing that. that play style however is more hated and stereotyped then even our wardecs. mostly and you have 0 sound knowledge of how to be successful in a wardec rich environment and instead spout of stereotypes instead of checking a kill board or actually displaying some idea of experience.

Now Instead of meaningless back and forth why don't you do your own research into it?. perhaps join a wardec corp for 8 weeks. Make sure you have 1 decent merc on merc war and see what the attraction truly is. then the next time somebody knocks you for suspect games in Nakugaurd (i really do need to police my space better ) you can tell them to give it a try themselves. perhaps they will like it? you never know if you truly like something until you have done it