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Bitter Vet - High Sec War Decs are Broken. Lets Talk :)

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#361 - 2015-04-22 11:12:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
We all fail, but the fun is to try, its those that don't try who truly fail...
If thats what the OP would have said, we wouldnt have had a useless discussion for 891237928 pages.

Back to my point, don't blame personal failure to game mechanisms. What?

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#362 - 2015-04-22 11:21:16 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
We all fail, but the fun is to try, its those that don't try who truly fail...
If thats what the OP would have said, we wouldnt have had a useless discussion for 891237928 pages.

Back to my point, don't blame personal failure to game mechanisms. What?


Well the anti-gankers have a load of game mechanisms that get in the way of saving freighters, but we just do what we can, in any case this is not a useless discussion, there is a lot of good stuff in here.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#363 - 2015-04-22 11:30:30 UTC
What do gankers have to do with the war dec mechanism ? And did you buy that account or have you been in game for 6 years ?

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#364 - 2015-04-22 11:41:22 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
What do gankers have to do with the war dec mechanism ? And did you buy that account or have you been in game for 6 years ?


A lot actually, you waffled on about game mechanisms and I suggested some mechanisms that can be worked around if you have the guts for it, which is talking about an attitude of mind, which is what you were trying to allude to. And in any case ganking is just another part of war in hisec, surely a war dec merc corp understands that...

Well your intel is rubbish if you ask that question about a war target, in the Eve forums you can check for sold characters, I do it a lot when I check out people, perhaps you could do the same.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#365 - 2015-04-22 12:07:14 UTC
Dec 'em Tora.

DEC THEM ALL.

Squeak.

Bear

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Danalee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#366 - 2015-04-22 12:35:31 UTC
CCP Should stop forcing PVE on us!

Classic Lucas, shooting the messenger because... Because!

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#367 - 2015-04-22 13:57:01 UTC
Good job guys, nice and original.
And I don't claim to know it all, I'm simply honest unlike you.

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#368 - 2015-04-22 14:01:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Good job guys, nice and original.
And I don't claim to know it all, I'm simply honest unlike you.
Thats what your brain keeps telling you. You re full of yourself.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#369 - 2015-04-22 14:06:00 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Good job guys, nice and original.
And I don't claim to know it all, I'm simply honest unlike you.
Thats what your brain keeps telling you. You re full of yourself.
Seriously guy, just stop. You're no good at smacktalk and frankly the fact that you seem to have sug a stick up your ass about anything I say creeps me out a little, like I'm gonna find you hiding in the bushes outside one day. If you don't like what I post feel free to ignore me. You jumped into this thread derailing it with your usual bullshit and insults, so why don't you just jump back out and **** off.

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Danalee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#370 - 2015-04-22 14:08:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'll derail this thread before anyone has an idea that makes me protect my supply chain


*I know you are so what am I*

D.

Bear

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Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#371 - 2015-04-22 14:19:01 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'll derail this thread before anyone has an idea that makes me protect my supply chain


*I know you are so what am I*
That doesn't make any sense. Like neither the made up quote or the response. Anyway, I'll respond to on topic posts, but I'm just going to start reporting the off topic ones at this point since this has clearly gone far enough.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#372 - 2015-04-22 14:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Tora Bushido wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Good job guys, nice and original.
And I don't claim to know it all, I'm simply honest unlike you.
Thats what your brain keeps telling you. You re full of yourself.


Lucas is a thoughtful deep player who is very able to articulate his ideas in a calm and very rational way, he has good ideas and will engage people to try to enable them to gain a certain level of understanding, his efforts are wasted on a lot of Eve players yourself included.

His comments about the structure of indy groups in hisec is spot on and one of the reasons you and the other mercs moan incessantly about corp recreation etc. If you had not over done your scatter gun war dec on anything that moves or throwing one man war dec corps at corps that did not fight but sat it out you would not be whining like you are now, for example I got war decc'd by Deadly Fingertips because the CEO saw me webbing an Orca, seriously, that is the level of strategic thinking of most hisec mercs. So desperate to find stupid people to kill that they war dec people on the hope that they continue to operate as normal so they can get that easy kill and there are stupid people who do just that.

In truth people are so bored of this type of rubbish I cannot see why people even bother, for example I just cannot force myself to go chasing off after your pipe camping GTFO ships, my corpmates are so bored at that they find GTA 5 much more fun. And yet its the carebears fault, whine whine whine repeat ad nauseam.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Danalee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#373 - 2015-04-22 14:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'll derail this thread before anyone has an idea that makes me protect my supply chain


*I know you are so what am I*
That doesn't make any sense. Like neither the made up quote or the response. Anyway, I'll respond to on topic posts, but I'm just going to start reporting the off topic ones at this point since this has clearly gone far enough.


It doesn't?

You fear the loss of your zero-risk NPC corp characters.
You fear CCP seeing the problem with risk-free hisec, which is catering to the bears too much and that will result in you having to actually work for your isk and take risks.

This fear forces you to derail each and every thread about the subject with silly conjecture like the tale of big PVE corps being imposiburu and wardecs being some form of cancer that needs to be cut out.

Sums it up for you?

EDIT: you are also very jealous of Tora for his succes in game and out.
Edit 2: Why don't you post something constructive in the constructive thread if you aren't here for the trolling and nothing but the trolling? You can't? Yeah... I knew that Lol

D.

Bear

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Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#374 - 2015-04-22 15:18:12 UTC
Danalee wrote:
It doesn't?

You fear the loss of your zero-risk NPC corp characters.
You fear CCP seeing the problem with risk-free hisec, which is catering to the bears too much and that will result in you having to actually work for your isk and take risks.

This fear forces you to derail each and every thread about the subject with silly conjecture like the tale of big PVE corps being imposiburu and wardecs being some form of cancer that needs to be cut out.

Sums it up for you?
It sums up what you mistakenly believe to be correct. I really don;t care if they remove NPC corps from my personal point of view. I'd go from having NPC corp alts to alts each in their own corporation (or a social one, since you know those are coming if they drop NPC corps) and I'll still be shipping everything through red frog. That said, I doube CCP will ever remove NPC corps as they understand that a huge portion of their playerbase uses them to avoid players like yourself who feel you should be able to have all the comfort of a safe highsec but at will remove that safety from anyone you want at a miniscule cost.

The thing is just yesterday you could see my point. Now that your leader is here, I'm suddenly just fearful of losing NPC corps. I think we all know that wardecs suck and need a serious revamp, even if Tora refuses to admit it because he's worried he'll actually have to put effort in if they change it.

Danalee wrote:
EDIT: you are also very jealous of Tora for his succes in game and out.
What success? In game he runs a joke of a merc corp, which pretty much hangs around on gates and station in the Jita -> Amarr pipe talking bad smack. out of game is all super secret, undoubtedly because he's ashamed of working at a supermarket checkout. What's there to be jealous of?

Danalee wrote:
Edit 2: Why don't you post something constructive in the constructive thread if you aren't here for the trolling and nothing but the trolling? You can't? Yeah... I knew that Lol
You mean the duplicate thread which is basically the same as this one, especially since it still has yourself and Tora posting rubbish in it? I may as well just stick about here, already got the tab open.

And lol, you of all people accusing others of trolling. Good one, top kek.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#375 - 2015-04-22 15:50:03 UTC

I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

The Rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#376 - 2015-04-22 15:52:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
That said, I doube CCP will ever remove NPC corps as they understand that a huge portion of their playerbase uses them to avoid players like yourself who feel you should be able to have all the comfort of a safe highsec but at will remove that safety from anyone you want at a miniscule cost.

Why don't you read my proposed changes on the thread that isn't busy discussing everything under the sun wrong with the game while at the same time trolling and dickfencing taking up pretty much every post on each page. What are we on page 16? and maybe 4 solid posts about the subject matter. The other thread has that already without somebody having to read the drivel. Then if you have any ideas on how to improve it please post them there. Avoid trolling arguing and generally being a douche over there and maybe we can make it a thread worth reading and see some real changes happen. Personally i think the current system is broken as and the multiple offensive wardecs needs to end. You can read my ideas on how there and even contribute your own ideas or offer change suggestions to those 1's. With multiple offensive wardecs gone we would do away with the need for NPC corps too and I feel it would make high-sec a much more sociable and interactive place. What do you think on the subject Lucas?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#377 - 2015-04-22 16:35:51 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
That said, I doube CCP will ever remove NPC corps as they understand that a huge portion of their playerbase uses them to avoid players like yourself who feel you should be able to have all the comfort of a safe highsec but at will remove that safety from anyone you want at a miniscule cost.

Why don't you read my proposed changes on the thread that isn't busy discussing everything under the sun wrong with the game while at the same time trolling and dickfencing taking up pretty much every post on each page. What are we on page 16? and maybe 4 solid posts about the subject matter. The other thread has that already without somebody having to read the drivel. Then if you have any ideas on how to improve it please post them there. Avoid trolling arguing and generally being a douche over there and maybe we can make it a thread worth reading and see some real changes happen. Personally i think the current system is broken as and the multiple offensive wardecs needs to end. You can read my ideas on how there and even contribute your own ideas or offer change suggestions to those 1's. With multiple offensive wardecs gone we would do away with the need for NPC corps too and I feel it would make high-sec a much more sociable and interactive place. What do you think on the subject Lucas?
I think that a thread made by a Marmite member, particularly one in the corp you are in is unlikely to remain troll free. I think that multiple offensive wardecs are OK up to a point, but too much once you start hitting double digits for the low price paid. I think removing NPC corps would result in a simply ludicrous number of one man corps and further fragment an already fragmented area. I think that wardecs in their current format encourage players to attack, and reward players for attacking the weakest targets, whereas a well designed mechanic should encourage you to pick a level of challenge that suits your ability and reward you appropriately for that challenge - the best rewards should go to those willing to face the most risk and display the most skill.

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Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#378 - 2015-04-22 16:45:48 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
That said, I doube CCP will ever remove NPC corps as they understand that a huge portion of their playerbase uses them to avoid players like yourself who feel you should be able to have all the comfort of a safe highsec but at will remove that safety from anyone you want at a miniscule cost.

Why don't you read my proposed changes on the thread that isn't busy discussing everything under the sun wrong with the game while at the same time trolling and dickfencing taking up pretty much every post on each page. What are we on page 16? and maybe 4 solid posts about the subject matter. The other thread has that already without somebody having to read the drivel. Then if you have any ideas on how to improve it please post them there. Avoid trolling arguing and generally being a douche over there and maybe we can make it a thread worth reading and see some real changes happen. Personally i think the current system is broken as and the multiple offensive wardecs needs to end. You can read my ideas on how there and even contribute your own ideas or offer change suggestions to those 1's. With multiple offensive wardecs gone we would do away with the need for NPC corps too and I feel it would make high-sec a much more sociable and interactive place. What do you think on the subject Lucas?
I think that a thread made by a Marmite member, particularly one in the corp you are in is unlikely to remain troll free. I think that multiple offensive wardecs are OK up to a point, but too much once you start hitting double digits for the low price paid. I think removing NPC corps would result in a simply ludicrous number of one man corps and further fragment an already fragmented area. I think that wardecs in their current format encourage players to attack, and reward players for attacking the weakest targets, whereas a well designed mechanic should encourage you to pick a level of challenge that suits your ability and reward you appropriately for that challenge - the best rewards should go to those willing to face the most risk and display the most skill.

I think if you read it you will find well thought out ideas and a rather accepting atmosphere. I have also tried to offer exactly that kind of balance in my posts. I am a firm believer in giving corps a chance. Ask eve college. I arranged to end their DEC and told them it would resume in 6 weeks time to give them a chance because they have potential. I want to see what they are in 5.5 weeks. I doubt I'll be able to hold head to head

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2015-04-22 17:53:58 UTC
If you removed the mechanisms for avoiding wardecs, how would that highsec retain any security advantage over other regions? It would be lowsec for any pvp entity with deep pockets.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#380 - 2015-04-22 18:03:08 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
If you removed the mechanisms for avoiding wardecs, how would that highsec retain any security advantage over other regions? It would be lowsec for any pvp entity with deep pockets.




Highsec wardec as "pay for lowsec". Never saw it that way before.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!