Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey it's okay, don't be. I know where this comes from. Those rapid launchers are bad for the game and I am not the only one who told them that many moons ago.

I don't agree on the agility part of the Mordus ships since this ability makes them so unique. But I'll not get mad if we disagree here.

I'm looking at it right now, and these 2 setups still fit.

2x T2 ACR, 1mn MWD, MSE, 280s, NO MAPC

112.41 total PG

2x T2 ACR, 1 T1 ACR, 1x Navy MAPC, 10mn AB, MSE, 280s

• 147.29 total PG

No fitting implants used.
You loose a little bit or range or damage, depending on what your 3rd rig was.

This ship is still broken as ****.

Bump for best idea by Zavand Crendraven.

Needs CCP review.

Pilots against cancer! Unless of course 10MN AB option is intended, then vOv

Dual MASB Svipuls or SAR Confessors with an over-sized prop mod is bad with any calibre weapons.

Killing dual-web Heavy Electron blaster Thoraxes since 2014.

/balanced gaem

My fitting tool has the updated numbers & they check out just fine.

If you're arguing that the shield recharge on a relatively tankless ARTILLERY setup is getting nerfed, you need your priorities checked. The difference isn't noticeable.

The setups in question go from 21 peak recharge to 19 on the MWD fit & from 31 to 24 with 10mn AB.
Enormous change

The only setup that gets a noticeable hit to passive tanking are the 2x MSE based setups.
The SPR based one drops from a peak 297 to 199. Good riddance.
The strongest passive HP tank (2x MSE + CDFEs) is still the strongest @ north of 23k eHP, but the peak regen drops from 103 to 81.

The capacitor change is non-existent because the ship doesnt rely on cap for many setups, and the change isn't big enough to be noticed on injector-based setups.

As for the speed changes, a current setup sporting a named 10mn AB & nanofiber does 2926 (4058).
The new numbers bring that down to 2724 (3778). Still fast enough to shame 95% of the ships in the game, and that doesn't even factor in implants, links, faction mods, or fleet bonuses.

The Svipul doesn't even get an agility nerf, so when it gets *tackled* (lol) its orbit speed is no different than what it currently is.


I don't think people realize how strong these bonuses are.
This abortion of a class gets bigger bonuses than Marauders get in bastion mode.

I pray that whatever Afterburner changes are in the works will result in these types of fits being very difficult to use.

Mind double checking that you don't have any sort of implants or other stuff running? I actually updated my post because I forgot to factor in the NMAPC correctly but I'm fairly certain I've got the math right otherwise since it's all PG multipliers on top of the base PG.

Also check the agility on a 10MN AB fit. The ship aligns in 11.4 seconds with Propulsion Mode active. Compared to even an Assault Frigate that's atrocious. A 1600mm plated Megathron aligns in 10.7 seconds. What this means, in practice, is that on an orbit the ship is going to be slower than a similar ship with a MWD running a similar top speed. It'll still do fine in a straight line, but it can't turn very quickly to respond to threats.

Also, of the 95% of ships it's faster than, 90% aren't running a prop mod or can perma-tank the ~150-200 DPS from its arties without significant effort. The remainder, and the ships that this thing needs to be balanced against, are prop-mod fitted frigates. For comparison a MWD fitted Sentinel EAF (hardly the fastest frigate by a long shot) does 2737 with just a T2 MWD and zero nanos fitted, and aligns in 6.9 seconds, meaning a skilled pilot can both catch a Svipul, and out-maneuver attempts to sling-shot out of webs, neuts, or scrams.

A selection of T1 and Faction frigates with MWDs and no Nanos:

• Merlin: Top speed 2814 m/s, Align: 5 seconds
• Incursus: Top speed 3033 m/s, Align 4.5 seconds
• Rifter: Top speed 3186 m/s, Align 4.7 seconds
• Slasher: Top speed 3737 m/s, Align 4.2 seconds
• Daredevil: 3891 m/s, Align 4.0 seconds

Oh, and the Marauder gets all of its bonuses at once in Bastion, while the T3Ds only get one set of bonuses at a time. Also they're completely different ships on almost completely opposite ends of the size spectrum filling completely different roles, with entirely different bonus sets and trade-offs, so comparing them is a little erroneous.

The balance changes are stupid. Know why? Check svipul bonus.. 10% RANGE. that is ARTI bonus and with the changes it cannot even fit the arties!


If you want to nerf 10MN fits, jsut give all T3 destroyers a role bonus 20% increased PG for speed modules.

And do not touch anything else!


If you are goign to nerf the PG then you need to get rid of the RANGE bonus and give another bonus for the svipul.

Well then you are not taking all the usages into consideration. For some usages the confessor is WAY WAY more powerful ( mainly because of the superior weapons). When you are killing larger ships that will hardly ever hit you, beign able to kill them faster is very very important.

Also svipul is a ship with a CLEAR identity problem.

Ccp clearly gave it bonuses to be used with arties and MWD. But almost no one fits it like that.. because that scenario is HORRIBLE! They need to retink the sivpul COMPLETELY.

Well, artillery could use a look at fitting to begin with - it's pretty typical to be completely out of grid by just fitting guns and a prop mod... and while fitting should require compromises, it seems excessive.

I'm fairly certain CCP think they have a solid start here at balancing these, and will be pleasantly surprised if this puts them exactly in the state they want immediately.

Having lived through 6+ years of Eve and Eve balance changes I feel that the CCP that tries to creep up on balance is very much preferable to the CCP that tries whacking whatever is imbalanced over the head with a 10ton nerf-bat and then applies bandages to the resulting corpse. Some of these necromancy was needed in the early days of Eve because the game had some pretty massive problems (early missiles, prop-mods, and webs all spring to mind).

Arties, especially small Arties, are hard to fit, I think, because the Alpha is very very strong and has the ability to blow right through parts of your tank, like the optimal point on shield regen or right through shields or armor and into structure. If arty were really in an untenable place no one would use it, but it does still get used, quite a bit, and sees a lot of success.