Player Features and Ideas Discussion

a ship is balanced if you can fit prop, tank and guns? Thats a little oversimplified.

Out of curiosity would you mind throwing up a couple of fits you think won't be adversely affected by this?

Also keep in mind that's 10 base PG, which translates into more after skills and other multipliers are taken into account.

As usual, cutting the grid was the way of the least effort. RIP versatile and interesting Svipul that was able to chose from a wide range of valid fittings, including all the tank, propulsion and armor types. Welcome boring Svipul that only has 1 or 2 cookie cutter fits everyone is flying. Come here Crow with empty highslots, you got a new friend.

How about you start doing your job and actually start balancing ships?

This is a start i suppose.

The oversized prop fits weren't that hard to kill, in fact i've killed quite a few. They're extremely weak to neuts.

The fit i'm using is only going to see a loss of 100 m/s to add another grid mod. So, instead of 3500 m/s cold, it will be 3400 m/s cold in prop mode with a 1mn MWD. Yea idk.. somehow a bigger, heavier dessie is considerably faster than a nano'd AF.

Still no reason to fly a jag/wolf. Svipul can still go as fast as an inty, project 190 dps out to 30-40km (or 290ish out to 20-25km) and has more tank than the arty wolf/jag.

This may stop all the 10mn scrub fits, but now you'll just have 3-5km/s 1mn MWD fits flying all over that still decimate or obsolete most AF (well, all frigs in general really). Still, at least you've acknowledged they're OP.

Consider nerfing prop mode, or base speed next, depending on which way the meta shifts.

there was no reason to fly jag/wolf before the t3 destroyers got introduced anyway bro

I'm not too upset by the nerf although I haven't really done anything with svipul. Just glad the nerf doesn't bother my 'fessor. Still have pg to spare. And for 200+ kills with one loss (damn you, you triple-armor repping svipul who tricksed me!) it's really a matter of how you use it.

... are mad when overpowered ships are released and then "fixed" in the wrong way. Fixed it for you. Sorry, couldn't do anything about your poor neighborhood language.

The -20 is less than 10% on an overheated Svipul.
It's a hilariously weak change.

well i know for a fact you are bitter of destroyer hulls in general :P

but the speed change is huge. it is clearly slower now than a thrasher in non propulsion mode which it was even before btw. i generaly think destroyers are too slow but that's another thing.

i am speaking about the svipul here. i always flew no tank arty variant which now sadly has to be compromised even more due to the changes even with no freaking tank at all...

nerfs had to be made as the only ship capable to tackle and kill the 10mn variants in a one on one was a rapier (it was my go to ship at least to kill em reliably, even deadspace fitted ones)... and i think it would hit the pg but never that high. i would have made a mixed nerf of for example -5 to pg of the ships and +5 pg on 10mn afterburners or just plain and simple don't allow oversized prop mods on smaller ships... a single t3 destroyer should never be able to beat a similarly competent cruiser pilot when both have short range fits.

but the argument of "diverse fitting" options are a joke really because for that to happen now the fitting costs of small artilleries has to be at least minus 1 pg. even the thrasher needs 2 small ancilliary current router to fit 280s and a mwd... the same is now true for the svipul which is a joke really if you have just one small projectile rig in it. what happened to TANK / RANGE-APPLICATION / SPEED --> choose 2.

as countless people said it will kill arty variants which i am a bit sad as i like this weapon a lot but there are so few ships where they are viable... and those variants were surely balanced. they would pack cruiser dps on small long range turret (with short range ammo of course) but they had absolutely no tank and can be oneshot by the same fit (a friend actualy oneshot a dual masb svipul = no buffer like arty) ... i would call that balanced (not the 10mn variant, but the no tank arty fits).

it's bad to even think about going back to the artythrasher. much better tracking (which i experienced is a huge thing btw!), better speed, a looooooooooot cheaper, alpha difference will no longer be that huge (was 15% more alpha with svipul, 30% more dps). the only plus for artyfits will be the higher dps (will still be around 20-25% i think as i have to change one gyro for a mapc, maybe that lets me fit a tracking rig even, will have to see)

i can say i have a lot of experience in this field of play. you can watch my killboard if you don't believe me :P

tldr:

either disallow (is that even a word?) oversized prop mods or split the pg nerf to -5 to the ships and +5 to the 10mn ab.

Big arty should be hard to fit.
However i do think that small arty need a small reduction in their cost.