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[April] [Updated] Confessor and Svipul Balance Tweaks

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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#61 - 2015-04-02 07:26:13 UTC
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#62 - 2015-04-02 07:41:57 UTC
have a T3 the destroyer they said.

Make a broken LSE Svipul fit they said. (well they didn't, but whatever)

76k EHP in a c4 Pulsar they said.

Nerf them they said.

Thanks, bro. Thankyou in the face.

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#63 - 2015-04-02 07:47:06 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
These are really small changes, I'm not sure what sort of effect it'll have yet on fitting but none of these changes seem to gimp the ships too much, (at a glance).


Pffft, it just shows how little you know about anything. Like, are you living under a rock, with your foot in your ear? 10PG is the difference between LSE Svipul and not LSE Svipul.

it's the difference between 36K EHP, and 18K EHP. If that's not significant, nothing is.

Go back to dullard creche and relearn Fitting Gymnastics I.

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#64 - 2015-04-02 07:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Altrue wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Have to agree with this fine gentleman regarding the Sviipul - Even with the PG reduction, I think 10MN AB with the smallest caliber ACs is still possible with a good/great tank to boot. Smile


The whole point of AC is to not use much powergrid. The only way to make AC svipuls very hard to fit would be to make Arty IMPOSSIBLE to fit.


Artillery is indeed a concern here. Perhaps lower Small Arty PG requirements to compensate? How would that influence Arty Wolf/Thrashers?

Thanks Smile

Aiyshimin wrote:
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.


The lady is korrekt again. R/HLMLs are starting to grow like cancer - How come my Abaddon/Tempest, Harbinger/Hurricane doesn't get a bonus to Medium/Small Pulses/ACs? Sad

Cruisers/T3Ds Online afterall vOv

P.S. http://puu.sh/chCmC/80e6387e60.png 2.4k DPS RLML Orthrus. Balanced gaem, ies? Big smile Is there a turret equivalent that can blap all frigs, most destroyers and some cruisers with near-perfect "tracking"? Smile

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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-04-02 08:30:07 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
These are really small changes, I'm not sure what sort of effect it'll have yet on fitting but none of these changes seem to gimp the ships too much, (at a glance).


Pffft, it just shows how little you know about anything. Like, are you living under a rock, with your foot in your ear? 10PG is the difference between LSE Svipul and not LSE Svipul.

it's the difference between 36K EHP, and 18K EHP. If that's not significant, nothing is.

Go back to dullard creche and relearn Fitting Gymnastics I.



......aaaaaand that fit is still achievable with a "sheriff" LSE. Interesting.
Miali Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-04-02 08:45:16 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Have to agree with this fine gentleman regarding the Sviipul - Even with the PG reduction, I think 10MN AB with the smallest caliber ACs is still possible with a good/great tank to boot. Smile


The whole point of AC is to not use much powergrid. The only way to make AC svipuls very hard to fit would be to make Arty IMPOSSIBLE to fit.


Artillery is indeed a concern here. Perhaps lower Small Arty PG requirements to compensate? How would that influence Arty Wolf/Thrashers?

Thanks Smile

Aiyshimin wrote:
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.


The lady is korrekt again. R/HLMLs are starting to grow like cancer - How come my Abaddon/Tempest, Harbinger/Hurricane doesn't get a bonus to Medium/Small Pulses/ACs? Sad

Cruisers/T3Ds Online afterall vOv



The difference between AC and Arty fitting is too big (and not just small guns). It leads to pretty much all projectile fits being either arty + fitting mods + pretty much nothing else or ACs + *everything*...
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#67 - 2015-04-02 09:11:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Miali Askulf wrote:

The difference between AC and Arty fitting is too big (and not just small guns). It leads to pretty much all projectile fits being either arty + fitting mods + pretty much nothing else


That has always been the case since the game's very inception: Tempests with 1400mms and two RCUs with the rest being all damage mods - no one ever bothered to fit any tank due to no stacking penalty on the the damage modules - Counter-Strike in space. Blink However, in this day and age of solopwnmobiles, must have everything, tank too. (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง

Someone has to figure it out, otherwise Svipul will be just a very expensive Arty Thrasher, and I mean "just" a Thrasher. Shocked

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#68 - 2015-04-02 10:47:57 UTC
the actual issue here is oversized prop mods. why are they not being removed?
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#69 - 2015-04-02 10:49:17 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.


did you see that thing at fanfest where rise said he's ok with garmurs, because occasionally a very bad garmur pilot will die to a T1 frig?
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#70 - 2015-04-02 10:52:28 UTC
would have settled for twice the manufacturing requirements for such powerful destroyers.

we'll see what happens to 10mn AB fits. this is one of the things that the powergrid allows that makes these ships as powerful as they are.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#71 - 2015-04-02 10:53:18 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.


did you see that thing at fanfest where rise said he's ok with garmurs, because occasionally a very bad garmur pilot will die to a T1 frig?

did that also mention an orthrus dying to a T1 frig?

no?

rekt.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-04-02 10:53:33 UTC
Regarding the Confessor, please increase the cpu by around 10 so we don't have to rely on implants, rigs or crap mods.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#73 - 2015-04-02 10:55:58 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Good stuff, please fix Garmur and Orthrus next and delete RLMLs and never ever introduce weapons like that again.


did you see that thing at fanfest where rise said he's ok with garmurs, because occasionally a very bad garmur pilot will die to a T1 frig?

did that also mention an orthrus dying to a T1 frig?

no?

rekt.


it's theoretically possible if the orthrus pilot is afk. no nerf required.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#74 - 2015-04-02 10:59:11 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Regarding the Confessor, please increase the cpu by around 10 so we don't have to rely on implants, rigs or crap mods.


Which current setup doesn't fit CPU-wise? Shocked

I have DLP 10MN dual rep, DLB 10MN AAR and their equivalents with 1MN MWD in mind - All fit. I'll be honest - haven't tried SFP/Bs at all, because I'm a 10MN AB nanufaget. Bear

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Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2015-04-02 11:04:35 UTC
No time to read 3 pages. People who think these nerfs are mild don't fly the ships. I won't speak about the Svipul, but for me the Confessor shouldn't have been hit this hard. It's already clearly inferior to the Svipul and will lose a lot of its interesting tactics once the nerf hits.

#savetheconfessor

/N

Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |  Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA
Inggroth
Harbingers of Reset
#76 - 2015-04-02 11:07:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Inggroth
In my opinion base pg needs to be cut at least by 20%, as well as CPU if you want to actually see a change in meta.
Also a DESTROYER with a single speed rig that warps in 3 seconds (2 if you change out of speed mode mid-align) is a bit ridiculous.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#77 - 2015-04-02 11:09:29 UTC
Changes feel like a step the right direction, all in all they'll still be pretty ott in terms of what they can engage and the ships they effectively obsolete. I'm not sure this is enough but I'd love to be proved wrong.

Worried as the entire meta outside of big fleets feels like its starting to boil down to the latest batch of overpowered fotm new toys gifted from the devs, and the response seems to be "yeah they're op, enjoy!".

Tiercide created some amazing years of yolo frig destroyer and cruiser PVP, with a fuckload of diverse ships to choose from. But the sheer proliferation and dominance of t3ds when only half of them have been released feels like a regression back to 2011 balance over two point releases.

Still though good to see it's being looked at.
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#78 - 2015-04-02 11:09:39 UTC
Niden wrote:
No time to read 3 pages. People who think these nerfs are mild don't fly the ships. I won't speak about the Svipul, but for me the Confessor shouldn't have been hit this hard. It's already clearly inferior to the Svipul and will lose a lot of its interesting tactics once the nerf hits.

#savetheconfessor

/N


'interesting tactics' = brawling but without actually committing to anything, and making missiles (even more) utterly useless
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#79 - 2015-04-02 11:13:30 UTC
oh thank ****

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#80 - 2015-04-02 11:15:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
we ideally want that power and excitement to mainly come from the new mode switching mechanic, and less from the base stats of the ship outclassing its competition.

make sure to increase the bonuses of the modes then.