Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TBH RR in its current form is way to big of a force multiplier. its one of the main reasons behind apex forces. Though if you were to make RR more tame it would go along long way to make the meta healthy.

As you point out you can have 50 archons all RR a Loki to make the only viable way to kill it is with alpha. This then causes you to bring enough dps to alpha threw a loki. though when you bring that much dps you need to tank dps and it just becomes a who can bring more ships game.

Now if RR had sig resolution built into the effectiveness of the mod it would to wonders to the game.

Lets use Capital RR as an example. Lets say now all RR has sig resolution built into it and the average sig resolution of a capital RR is 1000m or 1km.

now most capital ships have a sig radius greater then 1km so a capital ship will rep another capital ship for 100% of potential rep. but if that archon wants to rep its buddy in the battleship which has a sig radius of 400m this would mean that RR from that archon only applies at 40% effectiveness or in real numbers we go from 1500 armor repped per cycle to 600...

so now you would need over 2 capital reps on the loki to eq the amount repped on another archon.

THis would do wonders as typically RR mixed with crusiers which have low sig radius are the current meta. Though if Logistics ships and carriers could no longer rep a crusier for full amount this would then have drastic changes on the meta and might force bigger ships like BC and BS into the mix.

Also this is not a reactionary post to one fleet setup... its something i felt should have been added to the game when CCP increased the EHP of all ships and boosted Logistics ships back in 2007. That one change pushed pvp to escalate to the current meta we have today

So I like where this is going. Now I will show you a few ways in which this would not work. 1 Armor ships would not have an equal leg because Shield ships tank increase sig size. Also MWD on anything not a frig or AHAC you are at or over 1k. These are just a couple easy hole in this. I do think there could be some ideas to make logi work but not make it the n+1. Maybe when you are receiving RR your resists are lowered. That could be tied into lore somehow. It would also make stacking reps make your ship very vulnerable as after so many reps your resists reach zero. Not a very fleshed out idea but an idea.

One, I disagree that RR is broken. Since it's not the point of the thread I won't elaborate.

Two. I'm a little worried about all structures being flippable with the entosis link. I'm not sure if this is covered, but you're going to kill casual HS industrialists that set up a couple days of production. They'll show back up, and they'll have to play collect my cans in space, and try to flip the asset they bought back into their possession.

Maybe I'm missing something but that sounds screwed up. There should be some onus on the attacker to have to bring a decent sized force to dislodge an asset I've purchased and am using - rather than 1 dude noticing that there's no one at a structure and throwing 10 minutes of time at it.

This is especially multiplied in wormholes where logistics is already a huge pain in the ****. You have a slow weekend (i.e. people are traveling, doing yardwork, whatever) and you log in Sunday night - bam now you don't own any assets. Hope you logged off in a probing ship, so you can scout a hole and return with an entosis link.

Flipping Sov? Sure, go for it - it is what it is. Flipping personal/corporate structures? The disruption to game play this will cause to such a huge piece of the player base is just annoyingly large. There has to be a better way here, I thought the thought behind POS mechanics was it should be semi difficult require some time and assets to wipe out a tower. This puts everything on the defender, which is a complete reverse.

So if I grab an entosis link and throw it on an SOE ship I can troll wormhole corps during their prime time should they not log in and force them to play capture the flag with me or forfeit their assets

I was thinking about this too. I think the onus should be on the attacking alliance not the defending alliance . Let me explain. One of the things i hate about the current system is you have to rep structures. In the new system even if the other side doesn't show ypu still have to do the 10 annoms per reinforced structure . This imo is bad design. I think if the attacking alliance does not show for the fight you shouldn't be forced to rep/elink stuff.

I would make the first 5 capture annoms have a 30 min lifetime If no elink from the opposing alliace is initiated in any 5 annoms.

This way you only have to active defense when the enemy shows and limits the other side of the grind

Not from what i understand unless they group wh systems into constellations.

You did notice you can't RR someone using the Entosis, you seem to have missed that small issue in your theories.
And so people will field BS's and Capitals in Entosis Sov, that's a 'bad' thing having people field full fleets? And here I thought most people were complaining that no-one will field anything of value.

FYP

OK..... that's still ~5000 DPS assigned to each Loki. 255 / fleet, call it 230 for actual people non-boosting (i dont know the actual numbers) that's 23 "squads" of 9 carriers + 1 loki, which equals 115,000 DPS / 255 man fleet.

No, you just need 1x fleet per gate, really, with a smattering of insta-locking ceptors and a handful of bubbles in a cargo container or two. And you're assuming there's only 1x 255-man fleet in system. We pushed 6-700 last system, and I don't know how many we crammed into ZXB.
Additionally, a seriously tanked Loki has 500K+ EHP with Mid Slaves, IIRC. You can swap to 1m EHP long-point Proteii easily. It doesn't matter how small it's sig is if 9x archons are sending 1x Capital Repper (1500 / cycle) his way; he'll get his reps and eat his cake too.

As for Celestis: Remote Sensor Boosters are a thing. Same with Falcons and Projected ECCM.

Except that they *will* escalate 100% of the time. For the last five blockade bashes I was on, we moved into position at least a half-hour early with Boot Domis and Napocs and parked our fleets on each gate, with a Harpy fleet patrolling outside and a supercap fleet inside ready to backup whichever Domi fleet got attacked. The Harpies dealt with anything sub-BC, the Domis dropped their drones and went to watch football, and the supercaps did the structure grind. What makes anyone here think that this combined force will not continue to happen? Combined arms has been military tactics since donkeys years, and it used to be the thing in EVE as well until carriers became so prevalent. CCP's wishing themselves back before capital proliferation, back to when a titan kill was talked about for the rest of the month. Unfortunately, it won't work.

e: And we pushed so much into a system that Darkness / Kadeshi didn't dare attempt to contest us.