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The Shrinking Sandbox - Eve by numbers

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1861 - 2015-07-07 22:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Dirk MacGirk makes some interesting points about Trollsov:

https://www.themittani.com/features/7-days-and-counting-stop-clock

Priceless bit:

Quote:
(...)

Attackers may be at a relative disadvantage in terms of the on-field mechanics, specifically as it relates to entosis timers. However, they have the absolute advantage when it comes to flexibility in how and when they play the game. Today? Sure. Tomorrow? Sure. The next day? Nah, it’s a work day, but just let them think we’re coming again. Keep them busy chasing shadows. Nullsec residents have one choice during their vulnerability windows: always be ready to scramble the alert fighters or be prepared to go to whack-a-mole across the constellation. Every single day, be prepared. Yeah, being a resident defender sounds great compared to the flexibility given to attackers. I sure hope you’re with a big, active alliance.

(...)


Sounds like fun, yes.

I don't see a problem with that at all.

The defenders also have significant advantages:

1. They determine the vulnerability window: both through settings and activity
2. Duality testing showed a smaller defensive force could beat a larger attacking fleet (bubbling and camping a station undock being a more useful tactic for attackers to counter that)

So it isn't a case of total flexibility for attackers, since they can only attack when the defenders say it's possible, which should be in the prime time for the defending alliance and if the defenders are smart they won't be pooling all their alts in station, but keeping some logged off in space to login when needed.

That's only a couple of things that favour defenders. There are others that exist and are used already - scouts and Intel channels to obtain early intelligence on an attacking fleet, what space they hold so they can develop plans for defence ahead of time, the ability to easily reship in station or POS and be back in the fight quickly, the use of diplomacy to have allies available to assist if needed, activity outside the vulnerability window to build up system indices, etc.

Ultimately, if defenders can't defend in their own prime time, then they don't deserve their sov. Fight for it, or lose it.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1862 - 2015-07-07 23:24:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Oh hey, Ockles, did you read this?

CCP Rise wrote:

Single system Alliance Capitals

The one exception to the 7 day waiting period for Capital systems is that anytime an Alliance only has Sovereignty over one star system (as determined by TCUs) that one system will automatically become the Alliance capital. This means that Alliances taking their first system will not need to wait a week to gain the benefits of the Capital system defensive bonuses. It also ensures that when an Alliance is pushed to a final stand in its last system, that system will always gain the capital defensive benefits.

Any other changes to Capital systems will always require 7 days in order to take effect. This includes cases where an Alliance that controls multiple systems has lost its previous capital and is setting a new one.

Very nice, someone does listen - although I'm not sure with the need for TCU's being removed as far as controlling and getting defensive indexes up that this couldn't be abused like hell by some huge alliance that wants to steamroll the map. (just for fun of course).
30 ihubs and 1 TCU, means you can quite easily just move your capital system to wherever you want, pretty much whenever you want.

Capital system needs to be tied to the iHub - Not the (now) optional TCU.

TCU = Captial System = Lower vulnerability - Which is just so open to abuse by the likes of (no offence guys but it is how you play) Pandemic Legion.

The greatest fear of any small alliance is that they come to the attention of PL and a few others like them (who don't hold sov but play the sov game, very well). Allowing PL in particular to stage any where with an instant Capital System, by NOT holding sov is just such a dangerous thing (although lots of fun for them).


NB; I am not putting PL down or singling them out (yes I am because they have the ability to use this to extremes), any non sov alliance who wants to just mess with others sov will use / abuse this mechanic to gain advantage.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1863 - 2015-07-08 06:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Dirk MacGirk makes some interesting points about Trollsov:

https://www.themittani.com/features/7-days-and-counting-stop-clock

Priceless bit:

Quote:
(...)

Attackers may be at a relative disadvantage in terms of the on-field mechanics, specifically as it relates to entosis timers. However, they have the absolute advantage when it comes to flexibility in how and when they play the game. Today? Sure. Tomorrow? Sure. The next day? Nah, it’s a work day, but just let them think we’re coming again. Keep them busy chasing shadows. Nullsec residents have one choice during their vulnerability windows: always be ready to scramble the alert fighters or be prepared to go to whack-a-mole across the constellation. Every single day, be prepared. Yeah, being a resident defender sounds great compared to the flexibility given to attackers. I sure hope you’re with a big, active alliance.

(...)


Sounds like fun, yes.

I don't see a problem with that at all.

The defenders also have significant advantages:

1. They determine the vulnerability window: both through settings and activity
2. Duality testing showed a smaller defensive force could beat a larger attacking fleet (bubbling and camping a station undock being a more useful tactic for attackers to counter that)

So it isn't a case of total flexibility for attackers, since they can only attack when the defenders say it's possible, which should be in the prime time for the defending alliance and if the defenders are smart they won't be pooling all their alts in station, but keeping some logged off in space to login when needed.

That's only a couple of things that favour defenders. There are others that exist and are used already - scouts and Intel channels to obtain early intelligence on an attacking fleet, what space they hold so they can develop plans for defence ahead of time, the ability to easily reship in station or POS and be back in the fight quickly, the use of diplomacy to have allies available to assist if needed, activity outside the vulnerability window to build up system indices, etc.

Ultimately, if defenders can't defend in their own prime time, then they don't deserve their sov. Fight for it, or lose it.


I think that you're missing the point.

It doesn't takes Sov to attack Sov holders until their gameplay becomes "the vulnerabilty window job".

Monday -defend
Thursday -defend
Wednesday -defend
Tuesday -defend again
Friday -huh, not defend
Saturday -whack a mole day
Sunday -defend

Rinse and repeat until you're having fun.

Specially if (when) the guys attacking you don't hold a Sov of their own and there's no way you can turn the tables on them. Ah, of course: the other 2,500 members of your Alliance can share the burden and defend your Sov while you, huh, PLAY the game for a change. But othwerwise, if you're a new guy and just hold one system (with Capital System bonuses, woo-hoo!!) then only takes a little bunch to make your game all about defending that Sov you're not using because you're too busy defending it.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1864 - 2015-07-08 08:27:02 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
You know ****'s gettingg real when the "politically correct" minority of people can't accept that they are and always have been a minority, but a few people in charge caved in to the whining and bullshit arguments, forcing everyone around to suffer for the weaknesses of the few, hateful people.

Reallife really spills into the game too mich sometimes.

Not sure what you class as "politically correct" but if it is those who whine about things like skynet being OP and breaking the game, knowing CCP can't balance perceived problems without swinging the nerf bat.

Or is it the minority who complained bitterly about rapid light missiles destroying game play for every frigate pilot, again knowing CCP can't actually "balance" missiles without removing a large part of their functionality.

Or is it the minority who own highend hardware that have new icons designed specifically for them that will/can never be as user friendly on hardware with lower specs.

Maybe it is the minority group who believe complete annihilation of your target is the only direction Eve should focus on.

What about the minority group (very large one right now) who only log in to the game in response to batfones or pings. The same group Fozziesov is supposed change change the game so much for, they need to actively play.

Or are the "politically correct" minority, those who post on the forums about how bad everyone else who has an opinion is.

People who live in glass houses..............

You don't know what "politically correct" means. Please look up the official meaning. It's hard talking to people who can't even look up the meaning of some words.

Teenager. Lol
In context; Pushing for change (whining loudly enough) to make Eve a better place, by "fixing" XXX, when it is only your sub group you are concerned with.

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct, commonly abbreviated to PC) is a pejorative term used to criticize language, actions, or policies seen as being excessively calculated to not offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society."

I like this one better though;
urbandictionary
A way that we speak in America so we don't offend whining pussies.
Only pathetically weak people that don't have the balls to say what they feel and mean are politically correct pussies.

Did I get it right teach or are all the minority groups who push for personally wanted change, at the expense of or without consideration for others not being politically correct by pretending their wanted change is good for all?
Many of these groups certainly DON"T say what they mean or feel and word things to appear very differently to what they really mean.

Intersting ..
Amanda Taub's Vox piece denying the existence of political correctness does get one thing right: The phrase political correctness "has no actual fixed or specific meaning." What it does have, though Taub doesn't explore this, is a history of meanings: a series of ways different people have deployed the term, often for radically different purposes.

-- - -- - -- - -- - --
20 years ago I was slated as being "politically correct" in a national newspaper article regarding my advocacy for a less than popular minority group I worked closely with in the course of my employment.




Actually not far off "age pension" - Would love to be 40 years younger and know what i do now.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1865 - 2015-07-08 08:53:43 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Dirk MacGirk makes some interesting points about Trollsov:

https://www.themittani.com/features/7-days-and-counting-stop-clock

Priceless bit:

Quote:
(...)

Attackers may be at a relative disadvantage in terms of the on-field mechanics, specifically as it relates to entosis timers. However, they have the absolute advantage when it comes to flexibility in how and when they play the game. Today? Sure. Tomorrow? Sure. The next day? Nah, it’s a work day, but just let them think we’re coming again. Keep them busy chasing shadows. Nullsec residents have one choice during their vulnerability windows: always be ready to scramble the alert fighters or be prepared to go to whack-a-mole across the constellation. Every single day, be prepared. Yeah, being a resident defender sounds great compared to the flexibility given to attackers. I sure hope you’re with a big, active alliance.

(...)


Sounds like fun, yes.

I don't see a problem with that at all.

The defenders also have significant advantages:

1. They determine the vulnerability window: both through settings and activity
2. Duality testing showed a smaller defensive force could beat a larger attacking fleet (bubbling and camping a station undock being a more useful tactic for attackers to counter that)

So it isn't a case of total flexibility for attackers, since they can only attack when the defenders say it's possible, which should be in the prime time for the defending alliance and if the defenders are smart they won't be pooling all their alts in station, but keeping some logged off in space to login when needed.

That's only a couple of things that favour defenders. There are others that exist and are used already - scouts and Intel channels to obtain early intelligence on an attacking fleet, what space they hold so they can develop plans for defence ahead of time, the ability to easily reship in station or POS and be back in the fight quickly, the use of diplomacy to have allies available to assist if needed, activity outside the vulnerability window to build up system indices, etc.

Ultimately, if defenders can't defend in their own prime time, then they don't deserve their sov. Fight for it, or lose it.

Only if you call Eve being a 2nd job an advantage.

1. Yes, which is then advertised Eve wide for all the groups who's only interest is griefing sov of others.
2. Yes and duality also saw a certain group remove sov in 20 odd systems in less than an hour by bubbling an undock and camping defenders in station.

Attackers, don't need to turn up "every day" - Defenders must defend EVERY day.

Who wants to come home from an 8 or 10 hour work day and spend another 4 guarding space pixels in a "game".
Games are meant to be fun - You are meant to get paid for work you do (not pay for the privilege). Which is Fozziesov?
Reposting for those who skiipped it above.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1866 - 2015-07-08 09:26:11 UTC
Dang, you're nothing more than a manipulative monster, constantly overestimating himself. The only luck we he is that ccp is smart enough to ignore your bullshitteria completely and you can keep jerking your ego all day long. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1867 - 2015-07-08 10:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Dark Reignz wrote:


Well no, because i'll probably re-download the game and activate another 6yr training skill while I play other games...
No but really, trolling aside you missed one of my points. This is 2015 and restricting the forum to subscribers is bad EVE period.


It is a sensible practice and it keeps feedback on point.

The community sets the policy through active participation, and since you are not playing you are effectively outside this community.

Malcanis wrote:
Oh hey, Ockles, did you read this?

CCP Rise wrote:

Single system Alliance Capitals

The one exception to the 7 day waiting period for Capital systems is that anytime an Alliance only has Sovereignty over one star system (as determined by TCUs) that one system will automatically become the Alliance capital. This means that Alliances taking their first system will not need to wait a week to gain the benefits of the Capital system defensive bonuses. It also ensures that when an Alliance is pushed to a final stand in its last system, that system will always gain the capital defensive benefits.

Any other changes to Capital systems will always require 7 days in order to take effect. This includes cases where an Alliance that controls multiple systems has lost its previous capital and is setting a new one.


Great change. Smile

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Dirk MacGirk makes some interesting points about Trollsov:

https://www.themittani.com/features/7-days-and-counting-stop-clock

Priceless bit:

Quote:
(...)

Attackers may be at a relative disadvantage in terms of the on-field mechanics, specifically as it relates to entosis timers. However, they have the absolute advantage when it comes to flexibility in how and when they play the game. Today? Sure. Tomorrow? Sure. The next day? Nah, it’s a work day, but just let them think we’re coming again. Keep them busy chasing shadows. Nullsec residents have one choice during their vulnerability windows: always be ready to scramble the alert fighters or be prepared to go to whack-a-mole across the constellation. Every single day, be prepared. Yeah, being a resident defender sounds great compared to the flexibility given to attackers. I sure hope you’re with a big, active alliance.

(...)


Sounds like fun, yes.


Good luck doing that in the defenders' set vulnerability window, when most of them are online & ready, moreso in the most active of systems with high Defensive Indices.

Conflict will happen = Working as intended.

The venom in this thread is unprecedented & is amusing. Smile
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1868 - 2015-07-08 11:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I think that you're missing the point.

It doesn't takes Sov to attack Sov holders until their gameplay becomes "the vulnerabilty window job".

Monday -defend
Thursday -defend
Wednesday -defend
Tuesday -defend again
Friday -huh, not defend
Saturday -whack a mole day
Sunday -defend

Rinse and repeat until you're having fun.

Specially if (when) the guys attacking you don't hold a Sov of their own and there's no way you can turn the tables on them. Ah, of course: the other 2,500 members of your Alliance can share the burden and defend your Sov while you, huh, PLAY the game for a change. But othwerwise, if you're a new guy and just hold one system (with Capital System bonuses, woo-hoo!!) then only takes a little bunch to make your game all about defending that Sov you're not using because you're too busy defending it.

No, I didn't miss the point.

I just didn't see any problem with it. Yes, it will require Alliances that want sov to be active. I don't see that being bad.

Will that benefit larger groups? Most likely. Alternatively, smaller Alliances (like my own) will need to look for other ways to ensure safety.

Mechanics aren't the only thing. It only takes 1 defending entosis link on a structure to stop all the attacking ones. So good diplomacy, dependable friends and giving as much as receiving is going to be a way that small Alliances can overcome the limitations of a vulnerability window everyday; and reduce the number of their own people that will need to be online.

On the flip side, all structures are currently vulnerable to attack at any time in order to be reinforced; and yet they aren't being constantly attacked.

Maybe because of the structure grind, or maybe because what's the point in taking someone else's sov anyway? There's lots of space not worth much, so why put yourself in the position of attacking and defending it if you need to go elsewhere to generate good income anyway?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1869 - 2015-07-08 11:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Dang, you're nothing more than a manipulative monster, constantly overestimating himself. The only luck we he is that ccp is smart enough to ignore your bullshitteria completely and you can keep jerking your ego all day long. Lol

I didn't write the Eve/r post that seems to somehow agree with most of what i have been saying for months.
I'm not overestimating my place in Eve at all, I do know you are not an issue I need to concern myself with

PS; Read my signature, it applies here.

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Quote:
Good luck doing that in the defenders' set vulnerability window, when most of them are online & ready, moreso in the most active of systems with high Defensive Indices.

Conflict will happen = Working as intended.

The venom in this thread is unprecedented & is amusing. Smile
So if you belonged to a sov holding group, you would be happy to HAVE to be online 4 hours a day 7 days a week?

You would be happy to not ever go on the offensive because to do so leaves your sov holdings vulnerable to a 20 min attack by some random group who has no interest in taking your sov, they just want to mess with you.

Yes conflict will happen, for a few months, until the tedium for defenders having to be online 4 hours a day "just in case" creates line member burnout. Or until everyone has enough allies that no-one will attack due to overwhelming sizes of defender fleets.

Eve is a game - Games are meant to be fun - Fozziesov turns aspects of a game into a part time job - A game that becomes a job is no longer fun.

Some will enjoy "being needed" every day to defend sov, more will tire of it and either leave the game or move to a play style that does not require a daily time commitment.

Oh and what makes you think the well defended high index systems will be the targets?
No-one is going to be attacking well defended systems with maxed indexes, why would they when there are (at the moment) so many soft targets?
You've been playing Eve long enough to know, the big groups will be the last to be attacked (if ever) because the only way to take down one of the big groups is with a bigger group.
Eve mentality is - Go for the soft target. That won't change.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1870 - 2015-07-08 11:20:38 UTC
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1871 - 2015-07-08 11:30:00 UTC
You don't need to CTA the whole alliance to deal with one guy in a entosis fitted frigate. And if you've kept your indexes up, you've got 45 minutes to scramble a Griffin or whatever to break the entosis attempt and presumably kill the frigate.

Honestly, the whining here is passed the Chicken Little level.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1872 - 2015-07-08 11:30:14 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile

Many are but who wants to spend 4 hours a day in a defense fleet in case someone comes to try and mess with you.
Who says 4 hours a day should be a minimum requirement to be part of a sov alliance?

Why should I not be able to take a fleet and go look for a fight without fear our sov is going to be attacked?
What is the minimum amount of time each member has to dedicate to their alliance on a daily basis 7/365?
Where does it leave those who can't play every day. Do they not get allowed to be in a sov alliance?

See how silly your comment is yet?

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1873 - 2015-07-08 11:31:38 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile

Many are but who wants to spend 4 hours a day in a defense fleet in case someone comes to try and mess with you.
Who says 4 hours a day should be a minimum requirement to be part of a sov alliance?


You you want dank ISK without dank rISK. I get it.

This thread can now be closed.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#1874 - 2015-07-08 11:40:50 UTC
The latest replies are fascinating guys, but what do they have to do with the Shrinking Sandbox?

Some of the stuff aint even implemented yet.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1875 - 2015-07-08 11:44:52 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile

Many are but who wants to spend 4 hours a day in a defense fleet in case someone comes to try and mess with you.
Who says 4 hours a day should be a minimum requirement to be part of a sov alliance?


You you want dank ISK without dank rISK. I get it.

This thread can now be closed.

Can't answer so throw off to something completely irrelevant, shame.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1876 - 2015-07-08 12:01:48 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile

Many are but who wants to spend 4 hours a day in a defense fleet in case someone comes to try and mess with you.
Who says 4 hours a day should be a minimum requirement to be part of a sov alliance?


You you want dank ISK without dank rISK. I get it.

This thread can now be closed.

Thread could have been closed ages ago, but the self centered attention whore up there keeps people hooked. If we agreed on not replying anymore, others will follow and he can do what he does best: Talking to himself. All alone. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1877 - 2015-07-08 12:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Sgt Ocker wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Your corp/alliance isn't online for 4 hours a day? They don't play the game.

Why do you need Sov at all. Smile

Many are but who wants to spend 4 hours a day in a defense fleet in case someone comes to try and mess with you.
Who says 4 hours a day should be a minimum requirement to be part of a sov alliance?


You you want dank ISK without dank rISK. I get it.

This thread can now be closed.

Can't answer so throw off to something completely irrelevant, shame.


What is there to answer? What you are personally looking for is WH space, not Nullsec. Smile

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Thread could have been closed ages ago, but the self centered attention whore up there keeps people hooked. If we agreed on not replying anymore, others will follow and he can do what he does best: Talking to himself. All alone. Lol


The discussion truly has become an ego thing, but "controversial" topics also need to be discussed, and apparently this thread has become the official collection of such topics.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#1878 - 2015-07-08 12:47:30 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Thread could have been closed ages ago, but the self centered attention whore up there keeps people hooked. If we agreed on not replying anymore, others will follow and he can do what he does best: Talking to himself. All alone. Lol
The central problem, in the title is still valid.
CCP could try some actual target marketing.
We could link buddy invites all over the place and put up posters locally.

There are ways to counter the shrinkage.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1879 - 2015-07-08 12:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Thread could have been closed ages ago, but the self centered attention whore up there keeps people hooked. If we agreed on not replying anymore, others will follow and he can do what he does best: Talking to himself. All alone. Lol

You should view it as an interesting Fozziesov test; if you aren't able to respond to every post he makes in a four hour window every day with at least as many typed words, you don't deserve to forums Blink

(and I expect that reply to be within 20 minutes of his timestamp, or its back here tomorrow to make ten for every one he does - so no reading other threads during your defending time!)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1880 - 2015-07-08 13:05:31 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You don't need to CTA the whole alliance to deal with one guy in a entosis fitted frigate. And if you've kept your indexes up, you've got 45 minutes to scramble a Griffin or whatever to break the entosis attempt and presumably kill the frigate.

Honestly, the whining here is passed the Chicken Little level.


Most alliance dipping their feet in SOV won't bring their index up in the first few day probably tho. If you win a system by fighting the previous owner, you will probably have trouble raising the industrial and military index with people harassing you. The first week of holding sov will probabbly be frantic as you struggle to raise your index to give yourself a buffer time to form up against any entosis event but then again, you took that system with effort so putting some in still for a bit more time to keep it in the rough starting time of your space empire isn't all that terrible.