EVE General Discussion

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CCP Oveur & Wrangler were my two favourite dudes back then.

Why do you keep saying players when it's accoutns online. RIGHT NOW I'm 3 accounts logged in to EVE Online.

Rhetorical question, we know the answer is "because the truth doesn't fit my agenda".

That was a psychological slip by Jenn. In reality she makes the claim that the data has an agenda because it doesn't differentiate between player and account, but in all truth it is a stable benchmark for determining health of the system because Accounts online hasn't changed in definition over the time frame of the data.

So boo on her. Rule #1 of statistics is keep the benchmarks standard, which they are. The definition of the benchmark doesn't matter as long as a clear and present trend is available from the data.

TL;DR it is Jenn with the agenda, and Jenn who doesn't like the data, clinging to vocabulary to try and spin the data.

You are attributing your own personal bias against a poster that you feel has personally slighted you and thus discounted the data they have presented.

Hint, it isn't the poster's data, it is CCPs. Don't hate on the messenger because YOU feel they have been disingenuous in the past. Hell, if that was the case you would have had to stop posted a long time ago because of FUD like you just posted regarding accounts vs players.

Another hint. Health of the system is better based on active accounts and the assets they need, hold, want and use then any form of actual physical human count behind a physical computer. If everyone dropped to 1 character, the game would suffer just as if thousands of people with multiple accounts dropped. Not much of a difference in terms of utilization of the product.

i have multiple accounts.

i used to be logged in to 2 accounts at a time every session.

these days, while i still have the same amount of accounts subscribed i seldom log in to both of them at the same time.

the issue of accounts vs players is a legit point. just because you don't need an alt right now, doesn't mean you unsub it... if you use it more than once every 30 days you're still giving ccp a monthly sub even if it's not logging in and making the eve offline graphs look pretty.

Are fundamental changes not taking place right now, in part, due the current PCU-fact?

Ah, well, there's this as well, https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/39pmyb/drifter_incursion_ships_listed_in_overview/

Thanks for also confirming your bigotry.

So.... the point to playing Eve is watching your skillqueue shorten and when you have an 18d skill... you don't play?

No wonder Eve is dying.

Dave Stark said; ...... just because you don't need an alt right now, doesn't mean you unsub it......

:- I currently have 7 unsubbed accounts (20 characters) would say otherwise. Game has changed so much, I no longer need them so no longer pay for them.
I also have 2 additional accounts that only used to get subbed "when" needed, which again, due to game changes is likely never going to happen again.
Paying $25 a month for accounts I "might" get to use "more than once in 30 days" - No thanks - I'll ask someone else to do it.
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Jenn aside said; Sarcasm ........
I no longer have a problem with the direction the game is taking, it is far cheaper for me to play now than ever before.
I have an extra $1200 in my bank account (accrued over the last year) thanks to CCP's game design changes.
There are on average far less people online now than a few years ago, which means far less content for me, so less need for all the extra accounts I used to pay for.

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Am I the only person to believe; if you don't feel your getting value for dollar - you don't pay the dollar. (or in my case $1.37)


After all - it is CCP's game to do with, what they choose - I just don't have to pay extra for what I don't like.
Thousands of subbed but inactive (as in, rarely if ever log in) accounts is great for CCP but really bad for Eve.