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Yes, with too few sites per system fully upgraded.

There is a timer that defenders can respond to and they can put their entosis Titan fleet on the structure to be defended. The barrier you talk about is still there.

Too few? I have seen many systems in my ratting areas that are upgraded with 20+ Sanctums/Havens

Do you know how much isk that is, on top of the belt rats and the exploration sites?

Ping Pong

But at least someone has to undock now, or risk losing their stuff.

Who is "they"? The whole of New Eden will be partying.



A shitton amount™

Do you realize how rare systems that spawn 20+ havens and sanctums are?

Normally you get 20+ average sites and 3 or 4 sanctums and havens. While average sites do pay dividends, you need to run many more of them to make the same as one haven.

Exploration sites don't just appear, the system needs to be upgraded for them, belt rats are hardly worth the effort now as officer spawns are so low (or have they been removed altogether)

You could always upgrade every system in nul and depending on the "trusec" of the system some were always better than others. This has not changed, if you have a bad "trusec" the system fully upgraded will still only ever be a mediocre income earner that can support a limited number of players.

Now, if upgrading a system included a way to improve trusec, it would be different. Being able to improve your system overall via activity would make many more systems viable for long term use by larger groups of players.
As long as a group needs to hold multiple systems just to provide income - Large groups will hold the winning card.

More like:

An imaginary amount.

Because that's what his post was. It's like he thinks no one else ever plays in nullsec. Screenshots or it's completely false claim.

This is why you are always in a stupid argument, because you don't realize that you post things that disprove what you think.

You realize that while the picture you linked most likely shows an upgraded system, not all of those anoms are part of the upgrade system right. See the Drone anoms there?

When ccp introduced the u[grade system, they didn't alter the 'natural anom spawin' system that existed before (and that still exists in low, npc null and wormhole space). That means that some of the Sanctums and Havens you see in upgraded systems are still 'naturals', meaning once you do them, they don't respawn in that system, but rather elsewhere in the constellation. The presence of Drone anoms means that system is a 'stack' ie people have done those anoms in other systems but the system the picture was taken in is (at least for a couple days) largely unused.

The most sanctums you can get from an upgraded -1.0 system is 5, and that number is 8 for havens. Natural anoms (including drones that can drop Sisters BPC chits). That's 13 anoms not 20 (enough to sustain 6 ratters without tripping over each other, forsaken hubs and rally points being able to accommodate 4-5 more in a -1.0 system. Natural spawning anoms are generally not present because you can't tell by looking what system an anom belongs to.

In fact, there is no guruntee the system in your link is upgraded, because natural 'stack' systems also still exist.


You've displayed that incredible ignorance about how PVE works at other times, including in the missions and complexes forum. That doesn't make sense, why would you comment about things you don't know about, destroying your own credibility when people who do know post?

He's not saying anything of the sort, you're just too ignorant to know it.

Only if you enjoy looking the fool.

Look at your own 1st picture man.

1 forsaken hub, when you have your probe scanner set to "type up".

The 1st picture is a 'stack' system, ie a place in a constellation where natural anomalies 'stack up' after done in other place (in high sec, this happens on "islands"). Go ahead, do the sanctums, most won't resapwn.

Look at picture 2 and 3 you posted. notice the lack of sanctums. That means low true sec systems, but not in the highest band., but notie the FOUR forsaken hubs in one of them (that's how you tell a low true sec upgraded system, one f the ways anyway).

That 1st system isn't upgraded, and posting that picture in a discussion where someone was telling you that "20 sanctums and havens is untrue) wa the dumbest thing you could do. It proves that you don't understand what you are talking about.

Go ahead and blame me for your own ignorance if that makes you feel better though.