EVE General Discussion

Would be interesting - Fleets out hunting specialized Goo miners, with the chance of obtaining materials they would otherwise only have access to with isk in Jita.

But ohh the pain that would be inflicted on the large groups who monopolize highend moon goo. They would have to actually get members to work for their SRP, by mining.
Ouch, mining, who would ever dare to suggest the average Joe in nulsec have to mine for the good of his or her alliance.

And really, which Dev would dare to make the economic value of moon goo, pvp oriented.

I agree on a small scale for own manufacturing it is ok and manageable. I did it myself for a couple of years.
It is when you start looking at it as an income stream for larger groups of players it becomes more difficult.

Looking at the map for targets, numbers in system, kills last 24 etc - A system that only shows a small amount of activity is going to be ignored if there is one close by where there are 100+ in system and lots of activity.

Cheers Sgt,

I think the value of minerals in NPC null-sec depends on your perspective. If you're a hi sec miner you will compete with 1000s of other miners because you're in a reasonably safe environment. Sov space mining is quite cool as well, however mining can come to a halt when you have cloaky campers there 23/7. NPC Null is a different story because all the asteroids are untouched. If you are aware that there is someone like me in NPC null who has big plans then you could stand to make more money than hi sec miners simply because you have me as a customer and you have access to an unlimited supply of roids so you'll never really have to hunt for roid supply, using a prospect and maybe an alt in a cloaky hauler you'd only need to look for empty systems around Stain.

This is what a player driven economy is all about, creating it yourself. If I was a miner I'd rather be in Stain mining for an Alliance that PVP's alot and looses ships. I might even be prepared to accept lower payment because I know there is an unlimited supply.

My main point is that everybody seems to be in their comfort zone in hi-sec so my goals for dominating Stain will be a hard task to achieve because no one wants to come out of their comfort zone. There is a consequence for not coming out of your comfort zone.....stagnation.. no growth on the economy and players getting bored and leaving the game or taking long breaks. A shrinking sand box.

So wake up hi-sec eve players you have more control over the game than you think. Try your best to find someone like me who knows how to create content, get involved and make the game fun. Ignore people like me and the game suffers.

It's not unusual for ore/mineral buying programs to offer 5-10% under Jita prices.

As a miner it's even possible to increase total income because the time that would be spent hauling can be spent on additional mining.

In nullsec in particular, the effort required to haul ore/minerals is relatively significant in comparison to their overall worth.

So if there is a local buyer available, selling locally can be a much better choice, even if the price is reduced.

Yeah I agree with that last bit and while I don't have any particular need or desire to validate Aaron, it wasn't what he was saying. He just stated his preference, if he was a miner:

Well, they can always take a Unidentified Womhole to Drifter Land...

The whole Hallellujah Plan (aka Rubicon) is built around Space Colonization. CCP Seagull & al. will give us a New Space we can reach through player owned structures (gates) and then we'll be able to settle there with more player owned structures in order to pew pew each other and conquer/hold that New Space. Then will be Rewards and Risk and the big guys wlll ROFLstomp the small guys as usual.

The Rubicon plan it's like wormholes meet nullsec, or just plain Apochrypha 2.0.

Of course, being the whiny little b*tch I am, I think that wormholes only appeal to 5% of players and space ownership (aka sov) only appeals to 15% of players so it's a litle silly to spend three whole years chasing a development goal which is essentilaly worthless to 80% of the players.

Because, as Ripard Teg said (not a literal quote), "there is not much coming your way if you don't buy the space colonization theme", and I have very serious doubts that the 62% are here to colonize anything...

I think that anyone who likes "no-local-booh-scary" and "this-is-my-place" gameplay already is doing that in the existing game, and they are a small (but vocal) minority of the playerbase whereas the vast and silent majority sticks to shooting NPCs and PvE the hell out of CONCORD-space.

And CCP are doing their best "20/80" so the "80%" get "20%" of the resources and feel strongly invited to leave the game.

I think there will be a lot more activity in Null, but a lot more players living in High and Low... if that makes sense to you.

Basically, we are going to see a resurgence of fast, agile small roaming gangs through Null like we had back when the Vagabond was the king of kite and HICs weren't a thing yet. But those same players planning on creating hysterics in Null are not the Sov type, they are the "Colonoizing" 20%.

Actually If I was in Null now, I would be pissed. The new Sov basically turns Null sec into a Game Preserve for the rest of us to pick on. Perhaps that was CCP's intent all along, considering the vast quantity of PVE going on out there in relative security of Blue Space.

Yeah like it has been hard so far to get people into null sov from high sec, now you tell them they need a fleet that can spread into a whole constellation, and into numerous nodes in each system, and then...

Just orbit.

But don´t fall asleep as in that half an hour something somebody might actually undock and come check you.


(yeah i noticed best isk vs. risk value from FW were with cloaked and stabbed fast frig)





EDIT: i kinda hoped some time ago (in chats too) that FW would spread into high sec, i think someone in CCP misread it as a null sec...

Mebbee the one who read it out loud had gotten his words - the literal SoundWave - misinterpreted.

If the current large coallitions and alliance can't hold it - what makes you think they will be able to do so?
Honey traps to be farmed and extorted.
... or ...
It is possible that some space is lost but Null Sec systems are pretty poor so there won't be enough income and some people will leave. They will be able to keep less space, so less income and so it goes.
Slinky SOV.
Until all the infrastructure hubs are blown up and all the large alliances are staging out of Low Sec or NPC Null Sec while controlling moons and crushing anyone that tries to live in SOV Null.

On that subject - what is stopping them using an entosis from a Titan while applying a wrecking ball to a station and blasing away any other attempts to wave a magic wand at it?