EVE General Discussion

In regards to the age-long Buff HS vs Nerf HS arguement, anyone here ever notice that the majority of the people whining to CCP to buff HS are the ones who (un)surprisingly play recklessly and don't take the proper precautions prior to flying around in space? HS can be just as dangerous as low or null, and if you use a fail fit for a shiny ship, your just inviting the gankers with open arms.

What I mean is people who fit hulks with nothing but mining boost mods and no tank, orcas with nothing but cargo enhancers and no tank, carrying ridiculously expensive and/or shiny cargo in something entirely not suited for it like a shuttle, T1 frigate or a destroyer with no cloak, and other numerous examples.

I mean seriously, it doesn't take someone with a degree in rocket science to do some simple risk vs reward calculations and see that mining in a skiff with a decently fitted tank is a lot more cost-efficient in a suicide-gank prone area due to less risk of getting it blown up, even if the yield it mines is less. Then when they do get their nothing-but-mining-upgrades-and-cargo-expander-Hulk blown up they whine "Oh CCP, I got ganked, please buff HS oh pretty please!!"

I live primarily in HS, and I've encountered suicide gankers, and I never had much of a problem. Using skiffs with ridiculous tanks that rival some battleships and an Orca with an ungodly tank usually tends to dissuade a lot of gankers and increase survivability when sh1t hits the fan.

What is the difference? Probably not a lot.

In null due to the fact of bubbles and dictors alone, I'd use something like a 3x reward multiplier.

With Lowsecks it's a bit different - their Tier system floods the market with LP, thereby devaluing it in the medium term, i.e. getting 1,300 ISK / LP at Tier 3 is the same as receiving 2,275 ISK / LP at Tier 2 due to 75% more LP being generated - not sure whther this bonus applies to every single LP source.

The high activity in NPC null at the moment isn't because of missioning and LP rewards unfortunately.

It's skewed by a half dozen Serpentis owned systems in Fountain, surrounded by sov space in the rest of the region. Since Brave moved in, activity has been high, particularly fighting between Brave and Black Legion. As with anywhere BNI move to, pvp follows and since the NPC systems provide docking rights for everyone, they've been a centre of activity. YZ-LQL usually has a hundred odd pilots in it constantly and fleets are regularly moving in and around the NPC owned area.

It would be great if lots of people were running missions across NPC Null. Unfortunately the reason for recent activity has a totally different explanation.

Providence still has quite high activity also as it traditionally does, but other areas like Syndicate are down on their normal levels like a lot of null because of lower numbers overall.

Actually, he's right, although not in the way he thinks.

Hi-sec does need to be significantly buffed.

This may have been so at the very beginning of the game, because MegaZyd wasn't as readily available, sending everyone out for ze Arkonorz.

Nowadays, Hisec appears to be the only thing keeping Eve Online from Eve Offline - any extreme gyrations in either direction will see a further decrease in player activity, and presumably subscription numbers.

Null needs to be ready for such an exodus in the first place, otherwise what are all these people going to with a fraction of the Mexallon & co needed per capita?

CCP is working with just this concept.

Edit: Nevermind, read the rest of your summation.

Answer is: Just the Citadel system with customisable purpose-oriented stations and facilities accessible to all in the sense of maintenance, cost & real estate availability. Freighter bumping does need fixing, though.

The concept of a newbie area, which is thousands of systems wide went out of the window the second capitals were introduced into the game.

Sweet, sweet Tritaniums.

Hadn't read that for a few years and sadly much of what you discussed in 2011 has been addressed over the years but is still oh so broken.
There is a lot could be done in all areas of Eve but as many people have said, the fundamental problem with eve is not in the game play but the people who play the game. Within that premise, it won't matter much overall what CCP do until player behaviour and attitudes change.

CCP "could" force player change but would risk alienating certain parts of the player base. Whether that would lead to them quitting the game or adapting to a different play style is one of the reasons many changes we get from the development team are all but irrelevant to creating any actual change.

That would be unlawful destruction or damage to property and hooliganism at best - anarchy at worst.

Tell me, does the police monitor every single asset in the public domain and acts pro-actively to prevent injury or loss?



That's the issue of online games being online games - trust me, people would act just like that in the real world, if they could get away with it.

The same issue surround the uncollateralised loans in EVE - the creditor will not be able to physically collect, or otherwise "persuade" the debtor in the event of a non-repayment of the principal amount due, or even complete forfeiture of the loan.

No matter how hard he tries.

In that other world beyond the EVE Gate, one could smash a few pumpkins in order to seek remedy to such injury to one's property - that alone keeps people at bay, trust me.



Well, I thought this thread is about the shrinking sandbox. The actual changes are to the both spaceships, and game mechanics, but this being a sandbox, CCP have said they do not want to interfere artificially in such a manner.

For example, the Nullsec Ore changes can be regarded as an Act of God, or if you will, some advances or perhaps regress, in the technology surrounding the yield of those ores. At no point did CCP step in to start buying up all the surplus MegaZyd from the market in order to raise the price.

They deal with game systems, and we create the whole Universe within them: Erry day of the way from 2003 - that's us.

If you do have a solution to this "issue", let us hear it, though I'm sure it will involve a full-time judicial, law enforcement & incarceration system, put in force by real people in uniforms and regalia.

Might as well call it Life II.

P.S. The price movements in both Zydrine & Megacyte mirrored exactly the developments one would expect to see in the real world, following such fundamental changes in the outlook of these two resources, which is why I was able to profit not once, but three times & counting.



Interesting, I wonder what the ISK rewards are. Bounty payouts have always been higher in null.

So a player receiving a RL threat because of something that happened in the game is not crossing over and turning a game issue into a RL issue?
Is the work being done to curb social media related suicide not crossing the line between online entertainment (which is what games are supposed to be) and RL?


Oh and nowhere in Eveonline rules does it say; you accept you will be exposed to vile language, threats and intimidation in chat and or ingame messages.

You might want to do some research into online communities and the affects they have on peoples lives before you disregard the link.


NB; If a new player quits over something i have said in the forums, they would likely have quit as soon as they experienced it or similar in the game. Many new players experience the worst of eve before ever browsing the forums.

That would be against the Terms of Service and the EULA - at no point would I subject myself to any of these for more than is enough to gather the evidence and report it as such.

I am pretty sure that the pointless ganking in high sec drives players away. It is too easy and doesn't bring anything new into the game.