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The Shrinking Sandbox - Eve by numbers

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#101 - 2015-04-01 01:18:44 UTC
Sigh...

I said my two bits. I'm not going to sit here and debate this with NPC corpies (no offense). We see things differently, and that's ok.
Enjoy the game, I'm glad you are interested and playing.

o7
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#102 - 2015-04-01 02:25:10 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Sigh...

I said my two bits. I'm not going to sit here and debate this with NPC corpies (no offense). We see things differently, and that's ok.
Enjoy the game, I'm glad you are interested and playing.

o7

Funny but I see here a guy who has not left Empire, let alone participated in FW saying he won't debate with npc corpies?
Yet wants to make every new player who joins the game a legitimate target from day 1.
Bad idea and very narrow minded.

Unless of course you are posting with an alt - Which is quite common and cannot be used to judge whether another's comments are valid or not.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#103 - 2015-04-01 02:27:14 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
How good would that be?
154k active subscriptions, is still only 15k individual players online (maybe less).
Try thinking about it first.

It's a necessary part you should be performing too,
but all you do is read and reply.


Quote:
Good for CCP, not so good for those actually looking for in game content.

I don't think CCP actually knows how many active individual players there are and adding all the different parts like Crest and forum use together only confuses any real attempt to get the number.

EveOffline regularly updates player statistics, only problem is, it too can't tell how many of the 30k active players are alts.


It matters not, actually. The big picture is that what you care about is really irrelevant.


I can assure you this, because just a few days before you started with this thread ...
... nobody cared either.


The only reason why there is an illusion of a conversation going on, (in your head, at least)
is because there are other people who are like you, easily triggerable.



All you do is serving a usefull purpose.

You keep the people busy.

Beyond that ... there's nothing.



Have a nice day anyway. :)
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Lienzo
Amanuensis
#104 - 2015-04-01 04:04:42 UTC
I don't like that we can only fight over these sov anoms for a narrow period of time. Downtime between timers is the exact thing that we don't need. It's boring. What're we supposed to go do other than start more timers?

Ideally, the sov anoms should be interbellum features. We should be able to fight over them 23/7. It would be nice if they would shove the timers back and forth by a reciprocal amount.

That would speed up uncontested outcomes, and string out contested ones. The limit for pushing timers back or forwards should be limited to 50% or so of whatever constitutes the itmer length

Ideally, the number of sov anoms would also be dynamic. If we occupy one, two more should spawn, each with 1/n effect on constellation status. This allows us to split fleets endlessly.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2015-04-01 06:27:40 UTC
Sandbox itself remain the same size which originaly built. But population of kindrgarden was growing in numbers geometrically. CCP is trying to juggle with meta and lil objects adding into a sandbox. So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert?

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#106 - 2015-04-01 06:29:12 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
How good would that be?
154k active subscriptions, is still only 15k individual players online (maybe less).
Try thinking about it first.

It's a necessary part you should be performing too,
but all you do is read and reply.


Quote:
Good for CCP, not so good for those actually looking for in game content.

I don't think CCP actually knows how many active individual players there are and adding all the different parts like Crest and forum use together only confuses any real attempt to get the number.

EveOffline regularly updates player statistics, only problem is, it too can't tell how many of the 30k active players are alts.


It matters not, actually. The big picture is that what you care about is really irrelevant.


I can assure you this, because just a few days before you started with this thread ...
... nobody cared either.


The only reason why there is an illusion of a conversation going on, (in your head, at least)
is because there are other people who are like you, easily triggerable.



All you do is serving a usefull purpose.

You keep the people busy.

Beyond that ... there's nothing.



Have a nice day anyway. :)

Excellent, I'm serving a useful purpose?
I consider that more useful than like you being a troll with nothing useful to add.

Oh and just as an aside, I kept you occupied for a few mins; OP success

Yes, have a nice day, even the silliest trolls deserve that.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#107 - 2015-04-01 18:52:28 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert?
Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group.

I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die.

This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#108 - 2015-04-01 20:39:15 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert?
Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group.

I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die.

This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space.


but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded?
you really believe that the people that own and run null right now, will be there forever and only they have what it takes to own sov and lead a powerful force within the game.
that's rather silly if i'm honest with you. there is always someone waiting to fill those shoes and lead a group and take sov or do all the other things in EVE. empires rise and fall, people join and one day leave, but always there is someone to take their place.
it's been that way since i joined EVE 7 years ago.
always the I'm gonna take my ball and go home threads, if CCP don't do as i want i will unsub my 1000 alts threads.
the EVE is dead or going to die threads Roll

look it's kinda simple, nothing lasts forever, i'm sure one day the plug will be pulled on this amazing little universe we've created and we'll all think back to these days and go wow. what a feckin trip that was. but why worry about that shite.
while we're here just love it or leave it. LolBig smileSmileRoll


Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#109 - 2015-04-01 21:37:28 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way.
Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.

There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to.


Brave should have never left Barleguet.

I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there.

If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#110 - 2015-04-01 22:04:32 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert?
Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group.

I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die.

This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space.


but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded?
you really believe that the people that own and run null right now, will be there forever and only they have what it takes to own sov and lead a powerful force within the game.
that's rather silly if i'm honest with you. there is always someone waiting to fill those shoes and lead a group and take sov or do all the other things in EVE. empires rise and fall, people join and one day leave, but always there is someone to take their place.
it's been that way since i joined EVE 7 years ago.
always the I'm gonna take my ball and go home threads, if CCP don't do as i want i will unsub my 1000 alts threads.
the EVE is dead or going to die threads Roll

look it's kinda simple, nothing lasts forever, i'm sure one day the plug will be pulled on this amazing little universe we've created and we'll all think back to these days and go wow. what a feckin trip that was. but why worry about that shite.
while we're here just love it or leave it. LolBig smileSmileRoll


So your attitude and analysis is pretty good but not quite reality based. After 7 years, you have been around to see how we got to where we are now and unless something drastic happens, not much will change overall.

The only real change coming is Supers and Titans are being replaced with Entosis fit Condors and Rifters.

Yes many will be looking at this and dreaming up plans. For the majority, plans is as far as it will get, a few might make the jump and try to hold sov. Of those few, some who prove worthy will be absorbed into one of the bloks, others may end up holding sov that is really not worth anything but provides content for the blok members, until they get bored and force them out.

The "leaders" of the large bloks for the most part are no longer active in the game but be assured they still have a pretty firm grip on their empires. The people who do the day to day running or these organizations have no aspirations of "taking over" and until someone with more money than sense comes along who can setup an infrastructure to rival even the smallest coalition, the status quo in sov nul will remain.
Alliances will come and go but those controlling much of the nulsec content are there to stay.

Unless CCP mans up and makes each alliance responsible for the defense or capture of space they want to control, not much will change.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#111 - 2015-04-01 22:13:01 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way.
Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.

There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to.


Brave should have never left Barleguet.

I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there.

If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov.

Agreed, Brave did an awesome job and was very good at what it did. Now they are just another sov alliance who will need to choose who they ally with carefully, or die.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Amy Lemmont
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2015-04-01 22:13:13 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way.
Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.

There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to.


Brave should have never left Barleguet.

I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there.

If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov.


Pretty much this. You would see alot more activity in low sec if High sec income was nerfed and / or Low sec income was buffed.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#113 - 2015-04-01 23:11:42 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Alliances will come and go but those controlling much of the nulsec content are there to stay.


Right. Pretty much anyone that seriously wants null either already has it or could more easily assimilate into an established block.

Which is pretty much why the whole sov revamp is sort of pyrrhic - you can change the rules but you can't change how stacked the teams are. If the goal is to make life exciting for new players, Low and NPC null are the areas that need attention the most.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2015-04-02 00:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Ned Thomas wrote:
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.

I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.

Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.

I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.

Hope you guys like playing with less and less people.


Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience.

I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing...


On another note CCP Falcons speech sounds like nothing more than a marketing effort. All the people who insist on crapping with the "adapt or quit" stupidity don't seem to understand things really aren't so great...

Regardless of the empty quotation about EVE being the savior of the gaming world and the best game ever, etc, etc, etc, the fact is there are other games out there to play...I really like playing EVE...but it really seems like someone at CCP wants to drive it into the ground...and I don't understand why???
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2015-04-02 00:39:01 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.

I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.

Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.

I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.

Hope you guys like playing with less and less people.


Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience.

I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing...


On another note CCP Falcons speech sounds like nothing more than a marketing effort. All the people who insist on crapping with the "adapt or quit" stupidity don't seem to understand things really aren't so great...

Regardless of the empty quotation about EVE being the savior of the gaming world and the best game ever, etc, etc, etc, the fact is there are other games out there to play...I really like playing EVE...but it really seems like someone at CCP wants to drive it into the ground...and I don't understand why???


All true except biomassing without give away. Where do you think all yuor isk and assets go? Exactly all those go to CCP. Please don't do that.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2015-04-02 00:58:19 UTC
I got another question - who are complainng more about sov 5.0?
A lot of alts on forums so not really clear who represents which alli or coalition.
Who do you think lose more, who would gain more after June.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2015-04-02 01:01:01 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.

I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.

Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.

I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.

Hope you guys like playing with less and less people.


Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience.

I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing...


On another note CCP Falcons speech sounds like nothing more than a marketing effort. All the people who insist on crapping with the "adapt or quit" stupidity don't seem to understand things really aren't so great...

Regardless of the empty quotation about EVE being the savior of the gaming world and the best game ever, etc, etc, etc, the fact is there are other games out there to play...I really like playing EVE...but it really seems like someone at CCP wants to drive it into the ground...and I don't understand why???


All true except biomassing without give away. Where do you think all yuor isk and assets go? Exactly all those go to CCP. Please don't do that.

I'm fine with that. It WONT go to beggars who see me as nothing more than someone to use even at the end...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#118 - 2015-04-02 01:07:21 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded?
I will give the short version because I am getting sick of typing this:

New SOV is going to be like FW, too easily flipped until people don't care. So, they will grab SOV until they get sick of being griefed and if SOV becomes worth holding again then they will be evicted.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Olivia Moon
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#119 - 2015-04-02 03:02:45 UTC
Sandbox indicates potential to shape the content inside the box, this is undeniable.
EVE is, to a certain extent, a sandbox MMO, also undeniable.

Players are given potential to do things, according to EULA, and CCP's state of mind as an administrator.
It's arguable that CCP has the power to ruin the sandbox.
BUT the main contributor of things changes in the sandbox comes from the players.
So, whenever you started worrying about the state of the game, do something.
As a part of the universe, you really can make some move to shape the universe.
It's not only about advertisement from the trailer or website, don't underestimate your potential to shape it.

If you want EVE to be great, you want more players?
Be proactive in promoting the game around the internet then.
Be friendly, be helpful in attracting new players to come and join the family.

CCP obviously is aware of the game, they have all the metrics and it's income-related.
But as a player, you don't want the game shrinks.
After all, do something.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#120 - 2015-04-02 04:32:11 UTC
EVE died with BoB, you're just starting to smell the corpse. P

Seriously, we need to keep our panties on and our knives sharpen, the age of the coalitions is coming to an end.

(start building ships for the next campaign, I have believe someone will figure it out) Blink

Empire, the next new world order.