EVE General Discussion

And yet, it's the one thing that makes people most likely to resubscribe.

Hmm. Could it be that they've been listening to the wrong customers for too long?

I would have to say that "clueless" and "arrogant" is the person trying to tell me that mining is fun.

You can ramble on about fishing all you want, but it's still a category error on your part. They are far from the same thing.



Except that it's the single most anti social activity in the game, besides ship spinning, so that's just a brazen lie. Mission running is almost as bad, although some would claim arguably worse, as you harm your earning potential by doing it in groups.

If you want "Me time", why are you playing a PvP Sandbox MMORPG? Go play Solitaire. If you don't want to be bothered by "other people", why are you playing an expressly multiplayer game?

And most of all, why do you insist that your desire to play the game wrong should warrant a change to the gameplay mechanics?



Except that, as we went over before, that's a lie. It's you trying to claim an invisible (and imaginary) majority to try and bolster your shaky attempts to try and ruin this game just to cater to your own niche.

we can do a list of fun things

fun things
- occupational health and safety talks
- filling out forms
- lighting a cigarette in the wind
- biting the inside of your cheek
- waiting for pots to boil
- watching highslot modules cycle
- buses

What ever gives you that idea?

Wormholes have some of the most lucrative PVE content in the game. There's a ton of folks in w-space who do nothing but run sites every day, suck gas, hack cans and make billions doing so. All the while still getting to enjoy gorgeous space scenery, socialising with friends/corpmates and even laying claim to their own little slice of space by putting a tower down, if they feel like it.

You can keep the rest of New Eden at arm's length, or jump out to highsec and swim in it anytime you like.

You've got some people and groups, like the corp I'm in, who do nothing but PVP though too. But you'll find most of those pilots have alts with farming holes, or a POS they run reactions in, build T3s etc. to make the ISK they need to pew pew on their mains.

Wormholers who do no "carebearing" at all are an extreme minority imo. There's bears err'where!

As for Bob, the great and bitter deity of wormholes? I shared a POS with him for ages and apart from the fact he stinks from never showering, calls your assistant a big yellow dildo and occasionally tries to awox you, he's really just a big teddy bear. Don't worry about him.

Just wait, Chunks will tell us next that structure grinding, something more or less universally decried by the playerbase, is fun.

Funny you mention that, I've never actually been that averse to structure grinding. Usually because it comes with an eviction or something and a fleet of 30+ makes short work of most structures. I used to siege poorly defended small/medium POS solo (well, if you count numerous alts as solo) just for the "fun" of it. Free killmails, loot and a system to sell afterward. Good times.

But even the most mind-numbing structure bashes still provide a good bonding experience for the girls and, after all, someone needs to clear out those old POCOs for the PI carebears in corp.

It really is disheartening when you look at that, then adding FozzieSov to the equation.

I wonder how many years it will take to get a sov system that isn't so biased, if ever.

Been there, done that and you know what - It was fun.
Not the waiting for a bite or the time it takes to fill your ore hold but the social interactions. Being with friends doing something that only has limited or no "fun" value can make it an enjoyable experience.

Fishing - Get up at 4 am drag your sorry ass down to the boat ramp, meet up with friends, travel for hours to find the right reef, spend hours waiting for a bite, while all the time talking and laughing with mates about anything that comes to mind

Mining - Find the right asteroid belt, sit in it for hours while your ore hold fills up continually, with 20 other guys, linking good (or bad) porn, talking and laughing about anything that comes to mind.

Some/Lots of people feel similar.
Get up
go to work
come home
play a bit
go to sleep.

Fill this up with householding and preparing food, there is no much time left.
How long does it take to get fleets up?
A fight?
How much time to invest for your EvE Social-live?

I log into EvE to mine?
Yes: i am HOME in New Eden so being there just for mining is still fun.
Mine stuff, produce stuff and when finished, smash it again.

What i want to say, is that EvE is not dying, because you just add more short-while stuff.

What does it mean?
To have Fun in EVE!
Is there only one kind of Fun?
Is there only one way to have Fun?

I Think NO.
There are many ways to have Fun.
And what’s Fun for player X must not be Funny for player Y.

Is Pew Pew Fun? Is mining Fun? Is missioning Fun? Is Industry Fun?
YES all those things are Fun…just not for everyone!

Can you play EVE without interacting with other players?
Yes, but it will be very difficult to do! ...probably you will have to move to a system at the End of New EDEN.
Its fact that everything you’ do (ingame) will bring you to interact with other player, sometime more, sometime lesser.

NOW Why do Newbies leave the game so quickly?

At first I think most of them are afraid.
Afraid about what they see. They have no way to follow. Don‘t forget, most of them have played other games which show them the path to follow.
In EVE they have nothing like that. Much of them probably feel lost in that big universe.

The Skills!
There are so many Skills! What should be the choice? They just see, to reach that wonderful BS will need few months…and if no one explain them…

I think the first two weeks in EVE are the most important. If they find some help probably they will stay, if they find not they will leave.

It is probably true to say that players which go early to PvP have a higher retention.
But I think that has more to do with the facts that by doing PvP they quickly find contact to similar minded folks.

My point to EVE:
Yes EVE is a PvP sandbox!
Yes PvP is the Core of the sandbox.
All other things you can do just exist to make PvP possible. (Content created by players)

This doesn’t mean I am a PvPer, absolutely not.
Sind’s I started to play EVE two years ago, I did avoid all direct PvP.
Also the time I was in Null (corp was by NA) I never participated to fleets and roams (just had/and still have no interests in), I did supply the corps with minerals and stuff… and YES mining and industries are fun.
Yes I got killed; I lost (in Null, in Low and HS) Exhumers, Freighters, Haulers and a lot of stuff. And each time I learned about.
Should this be a reason to whine?
Should this be a reason to ask for change the game mechanic? (I.e. to make my ship indestructible)
Should this be a reason to leave the game?
Should CCP “Cut” PvP?

NO! never!
It’s part of the game.

Some parts of New Eden are absolutely to quiet!
When i am mining or hauling and No one try to kill me, is like eating an unsalted soup.

I remember my first trip to Low… (I heard about higher value of ore)
With my 4 days old char in Rookie Ship I jumped into low…
First gate no problems, looking the roids, but nothing with high value,
Next gate was to 0.3 system, jump... I got in a big white bubble… did looks nice and strange that thing… was suddenly back in station.
Did took next ship and jumped to another Low system…with success



My only regret is not to have begun much earlier to play EVE