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Jake Reece
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
#121 - 2015-03-25 20:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Reece
Sigras wrote:
Bill Lane wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Consider the alternative...
"we know ship x is totally overpowered and breaking the game, but we're just going to leave it, and let it keep crushing stuff until we get around to fixing it"

given those two options ill take the first... even if I have multiple cap ships...

I understand it's broken, and I agree that skynet can be a big problem. I just think removing the problem area completely without an actual fix to replace it is bad form. Both options are unacceptable as it's either too much or too little, like having 0 or 2 with the goal of 1, but not giving us a .5 or 1.5 to work with in the meantime. I think the on-grid assist/guard would have been a good option until they actually do the rebalance.

I do appreciate your point, and we both want a move in the right direction. CCP was moving in the right direction, but then went clear to the opposite end of the spectrum.

Wouldnt fighter assist have been exactly the same thing? A super carrier @ 100 km aligned to warp out with all of its fighters assisting other interceptors in the area?

Sure the supercap is on grid, but it's basically just as safe as in a POS. I guess the only difference is one can be cloaky camped :P


And what would you expect 20+ Billion asset right in the middle of the battlefield... have you seen any Fleet / Navy doing that, especially in real life?

Cariier and Supercarrier can be fitted as tank in the middle of the field but what's the point - thats the fuction of the Dreadnought
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#122 - 2015-03-25 21:00:51 UTC
CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Capital ships will be re-balanced later this year, we will make them awesome again!

Can you do the same with battleships and battlecruisers?
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#123 - 2015-03-25 21:05:55 UTC
Also really appreciate you lying on your own damn patch notes. That's professional.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#124 - 2015-03-25 22:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Galian Kile wrote:
Why CCP Rise decided to call it Assist is everyones mystery.


Not really much of a mystery if you read through any of the big threads on it or even the wording of the blurb about it on the new update site its obvious the larger number of people - even some of those at CCP - have minimal knowledge at best of the subject and the real mechanics and terminology of it. (Which isn't entirely surprising given the nature of it in the wider context of eve - less mainstream, much longer to train for, etc.).

Even if Rise knew the difference (he may even have intended to get rid of all forms of assistance from the start) his target audience largely wouldn't make the distinction between delegation and assist and assist is the better known one for having negative connotations in eve.
Ostor LightDust
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2015-03-25 22:28:18 UTC
minumin wrote:
Ostor LightDust wrote:
I absolutely love the 12 hour notice of fighter assist/guarding being removed.

What possible reason would inspire a fairly massive change like that, when thousands of fighters have already been moved around in preparation, to do a no notice nerf batting like that?

they talked about it since 4 weeks ago ...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=409271&find=unread


Then they put out ******* patch notes saying we would get assist and guard. Love they ignored all of the feedback in the sky net thread.
Blitzer Harrsk
Mazda Miata Fan Club
#126 - 2015-03-25 23:25:56 UTC
There had better be something damn good cooking for this summer, considering I just bought a bil in skillbooks to train my carrier toon...

On a related note, not exactly encouraging to see this sort of sneaky bait-&-switch going on, especially on a major change that affects a LOT of subscribers. I expected better of CCP...
Svarii
Acclimatization
#127 - 2015-03-26 00:06:17 UTC
Blitzer Harrsk wrote:
There had better be something damn good cooking for this summer, considering I just bought a bil in skillbooks to train my carrier toon...

On a related note, not exactly encouraging to see this sort of sneaky bait-&-switch going on, especially on a major change that affects a LOT of subscribers. I expected better of CCP...



Oh no! You mean you can't use your carrier without putting it at risk anymore? How... How absolutely terrible... TERRIBLE! Why should we have to risk things. WHY? Roll

Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
Ostor LightDust
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2015-03-26 00:22:37 UTC
Svarrii apparently cant read.

We cant assist or gaurd even on grid.
Blitzer Harrsk
Mazda Miata Fan Club
#129 - 2015-03-26 00:26:32 UTC
Svarii wrote:
Blitzer Harrsk wrote:
There had better be something damn good cooking for this summer, considering I just bought a bil in skillbooks to train my carrier toon...

On a related note, not exactly encouraging to see this sort of sneaky bait-&-switch going on, especially on a major change that affects a LOT of subscribers. I expected better of CCP...



Oh no! You mean you can't use your carrier without putting it at risk anymore? How... How absolutely terrible... TERRIBLE! Why should we have to risk things. WHY? Roll



Are you illiterate or just a weapons-grade autist?

a) I have yet to acquire a carrier, as per my original post.

b) Skynet was broken, yes. The drone assist was a good substitute for delegation that would force carriers on-grid, which means they would be used in actual combat, where they *should* be, and not nerfed to the point where people confine them to spinning-duty.

c) It's good business sense to actually notify your customers of significant changes in your product instead of trying to ninja it through and hoping nobody notices.

I'm starting to understand why r/eve has a not-so-high opinion of the offical forums...
Svarii
Acclimatization
#130 - 2015-03-26 00:31:07 UTC
What's the proper response, oh yeah. TEARS! So many tears in this thread. LOL!

HTFU!

Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#131 - 2015-03-26 00:38:01 UTC
Svarii wrote:
What's the proper response, oh yeah. TEARS! So many tears in this thread. LOL! HTFU!

Don't be a jerk. They have a legitimate concern.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ostor LightDust
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2015-03-26 00:41:32 UTC
htfu doesnt really apply to BS last second decisions that impact a fairly large chubk of the player base.
Svarii
Acclimatization
#133 - 2015-03-26 00:45:22 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Svarii wrote:
What's the proper response, oh yeah. TEARS! So many tears in this thread. LOL! HTFU!

Don't be a jerk. They have a legitimate concern.


Maybe they do. But it's not going to change anytime soon. Solution: Just use your fighters to apply DPS to a target instead of assigning them to another ship. People are acting like the fighters are useless now. The only thing that will be changing is how the ship is used by the players.

Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#134 - 2015-03-26 00:48:07 UTC
CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Siliouba wrote:
Reading from patch notes:

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.


It seems "Assist and Defend" doesn't appears in game for fighters ....
Is this a bug or devs decision?


You are looking at an old version of the patch notes, we have also removed the Assist and Defend options. Capital ships will be re-balanced later this year, we will make them awesome again!


lmao

~
Svarii
Acclimatization
#135 - 2015-03-26 00:48:26 UTC
Ostor LightDust wrote:
htfu doesnt really apply to BS last second decisions that impact a fairly large chubk of the player base.


While I may agree that last second changes are kinda BS. HTFU applies to everything that anyone has a problem with. Even things I complain about. How you HTFU is completely up to you

Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#136 - 2015-03-26 01:04:34 UTC
Svarii wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Svarii wrote:
What's the proper response, oh yeah. TEARS! So many tears in this thread. LOL! HTFU!

Don't be a jerk. They have a legitimate concern.


Maybe they do. But it's not going to change anytime soon. Solution: Just use your fighters to apply DPS to a target instead of assigning them to another ship. People are acting like the fighters are useless now. The only thing that will be changing is how the ship is used by the players.


With the long lock time of non-triage carriers combined with the now nerfed scan res of fighters there is no reason to actually use them in a combat fit any more over the alternatives which also has an impact on fighter use in PVE.

I hope for consistency sake they now apply this to other areas of eve where things are in some cases problematic i.e. sentry drones should be nerfed to 1km optimal, 1km falloff.
Robert Parr
Iron Tiger T3 Industries
#137 - 2015-03-26 01:23:48 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Robert Parr wrote:
Have run several missions and have noticed that the wrecks and loot are a lot less prevalent or even nonexistent. Has anyone else noticed this??? Is this yet another stealth nerf to high sec mission running?? Soooooo pissed if that's the case!!! Tanks fer nuttin you mudder......!!!!! I'd really like an explanation please!!!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5607733#post5607733



Hi Darkblad!! Just wanted to say thank you for the information!!
Robert Parr
Iron Tiger T3 Industries
#138 - 2015-03-26 01:25:53 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
one day carrier can assign fighters. next its assist, day after theres nothing?

your losing a lot of accounts over this.

-9 subs



CAN I HAZ YER STUFF???
Svarii
Acclimatization
#139 - 2015-03-26 01:26:12 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Svarii wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Svarii wrote:
What's the proper response, oh yeah. TEARS! So many tears in this thread. LOL! HTFU!

Don't be a jerk. They have a legitimate concern.


Maybe they do. But it's not going to change anytime soon. Solution: Just use your fighters to apply DPS to a target instead of assigning them to another ship. People are acting like the fighters are useless now. The only thing that will be changing is how the ship is used by the players.


With the long lock time of non-triage carriers combined with the now nerfed scan res of fighters there is no reason to actually use them in a combat fit any more over the alternatives which also has an impact on fighter use in PVE.

I hope for consistency sake they now apply this to other areas of eve where things are in some cases problematic i.e. sentry drones should be nerfed to 1km optimal, 1km falloff.


Missions/Sites? Structure bashing? If you really believe the carrier is useless now. Don't use it. I'll be getting mine soon either way. Guess I'm glad I didn't already have one. Don't agree with Skynet, but don't care they took away the other options as well.

Good luck with your efforts to change it back. You're going to need it. o7

Deny Pirates the Use of Implants
Robert Parr
Iron Tiger T3 Industries
#140 - 2015-03-26 01:36:20 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
the assign changes were fine as long as we got assist instead, as stated in the blogs...
then poof. its gone without any warning.

Wow kiddie? been playing eve 9 years. and ccp have systematically destroyed every item I enjoyed in the game. capitals, , sc's, titans dreads, years and years of working into them and ccp just say **** you we don't want your kind here.

fighter assist was the one thing that allowed smaller corporations to hold their own against large alliance roaming gangs. it got removed.

these proposed tz mechanics push eve into a job role rather than a game role.
basically destroying everything I have spent years working towards.

the titan account has been loged on twice duing the past 21 months. and has been unsubed longer due to its uselessness
theres no point renewing the sc toons.
the carrier and dread toons are becoming pointless.

so what the point putting effort into a game that no longer gives anything in return



I do feel the same (just have not been playing as long) every time you work your way into something poof, that bastard Fozzie swings the nerf bat and the lights go out. It pisses me off too but, we all have to eat the same **** sandwich or take our money and time elsewhere. That being said, I still really would (nothing personal) like to has yer stuff (TM) Blink