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Two disagreements, one point of agreement.

Firstly, using an Entosis module to threaten a structure with no intention of actually backing up that threat come the timer is not griefing, it's strategic deceptive play. No different to having one of your alliance's spies suggest a new fleet doctrine to the alliance they are spying on when you have a hard counter to that tactic planned. Your goal is to change your opponent's behaviour to benefit you.

Secondly, AFK cloakies in a quiet, underused system shut the system down. AFK cloakies in a busy system merely promote vigilance. I don't flee in terror if I warp into a system and see one war target in local.

Your third point is valid.

I have now actively posted in this thread for just under 3 prime times, yet I work a rolling shift pattern so I'll only be effective on my alliances prime time one week in 4. Guess I'll play elite or one of the x series on the other three weeks....

What happens when an NPC corp character activates an entosis module? Can the station's control still drop?

Nice align time. How do you expect to warp when the enosis module disables warping for it's full duration?

Gonna ramble a bit here...

If any smaller alliance thinks this system will allow them a foothold you are sorely mistaken, yes this system will allow you to harass the larger entities, but nothing more. There are something like fifteen large enough entities in eve that can EASILY drop a few hundred cheap ships on a whole region, so harass maybe, get a sov foothold.. keep dreaming. But sure take sov if you can, as they WILL be wanting to show you how this new system works.

Keeping sov is going to be like a chore with this system, no not fun pvp a damned chore of being on alert during your "prime" time, sitting around waiting for something to chase, think guaranteed gate-camps 4 hours a day reds or no reds.

Sov holders.. no more holidays for you without evacuating to npc stations first, the ratio of fun casual, to must be logged in every bloody day no exceptions is gonna kill player retention imo. This is loosely scheduled for June... odds on the debacle that happens on the 4th July holiday anyone?

40 minute timer... hahahaha iirc there are something like 3000+ player claimed systems, 40 minute timers, definitely not enough to even talk about them. I'm from provi, one of the most densely inhabited and industrialized player sov in all of eve, and I can tell you from our prelim data that our timers are way below 40 minutes as an average.

And talking of indexes, if the attack is serious you think those index's are gonna stay high? Hell no, the amount of tools available for a dedicated attacker with virtually zero risk available that can seriously hinder an index, vastly outweighs a defenders chance to keep that index up (no I didnt say fight them I said index, as thats now the strategic objective)

New system is so much more biased to the attacker, without needing the assets to grind down those hp's, a system can now be engaged by a dirt cheap ship. Sure someone will say ah but one ship can counter another single ship.. Heres my take on that.
Already said I'm not talking small entities here, I am talking bloc warfare, so it never will be just one ship, it will be hundreds, possibly thousands. Ok so instead of one cheap ship, say 210 come, so there first strike in cheap ****** ships is to engage 70 systems, ihub/station/TCU in every system, now assuming a say below provi index average.. in 15 minutes EVERY sov structure in 70 systems is now reinforced, all for the isk of a single dread. Simply put WAY to easy, and way way out the league of non bloc players. 15 bloody minutes, for throwaway isk for the blocs.
Even if you have fleets on stanby, its not one engagement to defend in this scenario, its 210 spread over an entire region, and oh its gonna be funny hearing about the spam alerts from the sov system alerts during this time :)
Someone said that even the t1 e-wand is very expensive at 20m, for a single module, bloc fleet doctrines for serious fleets range from 250m-1b, 20m is nothing in this game for a bloc player.
And remember even if assuming both sides have similar numbers, it sounds very dull for the hundreds of attackers who simply arent engaged, but still screw up the defenders sov.

You think my numbers are crazy, on simple past engagement sizes either of the 2 largest blocs could do this form of throwaway attack in 5-6 regions at the same time.. EACH. Still think its a good new system for newbros?

Constructive ideas using this god awful framework I guess...

Gotta increase the value of the e-wand, or make it only usable on something more expensive, if people are there for sov a reasonable amount of isk MUST be spent, if newbros cant afford anything other than t1 cheap crap, then they cant afford even the basics of taking sov anyway, and it would seriously stop the e-wand griefer issue, or the mass bloc attack.

You HAVE to seriously look at the timers issue, both in terms of first strike and following timers, few days away from the game cannot be punished as harshly as it will in this proposed system.

Prime time. I can see the reasoning, ccp clearly wants to break up the coalitions, and force division, isn't that simply a counterproductive goal to you know.. an MMO? As for the 4 hours, also perhaps a change of that vulnerable time related to index? Maybe base 6 hours minus time related to index average maybe?

Moon changes?

Looking at these changes for me personally gives me hope for a truly interactive and diverse Null Sec that many players have longed for for years. The Sovereignty issues that now plague many entities and players while isolating and incubating a select few, NEED to be changed for this game to have any potential future.

Those of us who have been around remember the fabled Great War, BOB, such clashes and of a bright eyed new underdog whom none of us thought would grow and prosper into what the CFC is today. Verily, I don't think anyone during these times could have seen nor imagined the power such Coalitions wield as they do today.

Supercapital Proliferation has been a mainstay of Power Bloc policy for years, mostly as a deterrent and mostly as a means of quickly retaking and regrinding structures should the need arise. We saw such policies come into play Pre Phoebe where the power projection of the Coalitions were limitless.

Phoebe was the first real step to shake up the stagnation of Eve. It's ripples are still being felt to this day with many powers having to carefully plan where as smaller groups including those in Low Sec no longer feel the sky is truly falling. And yet as much as this game has progressed I personally feel if Eve itself is to survive even another five years DRASTIC changes need to be made.

CCP (bless their bold hearts) have given many of the most vocal and adamant here the proverbial middle finger seeing beyond the long noses of a few Elite while the rest of this sandbox suffers. And suffer it shall! Unless CCP continues to undertake and develop bold new ideas to shake the very core of even the most powerful entities in New Eden.

Today marks another significant step toward changing and reinvigorating a game over a decade old. And for that I feel we ALL should be thankful. The fact that CCP have worked and continued to develop and bring forth radical changes to keep this game and it's players on it's toes is something worthy of merit and something we ALL should acknowledge regardless of our stances on SOV changes or the finite details regarding it.

As far as the changes proposed, removing structure grinds, neutering the Proliferation fleets of the Coalitions, while making entire regions vulnerable through interaction are bold and needed steps. To bypass the issues regarding the grind and to bring forth even these rough ideas is what is exactly needed. New blood. new ideas. New strategies.

For the naysayers, for those who cry what is SOV good for? I think CCP's keeping such things closer to their chest than we think. There are drastic new things happening with lore, Drifters, Stargates, etc. Be patient! Give CCP a chance to wow us and to enact bold changes to reinvigorate a tired and dried husk that is Null Sec.

There's a reason why a majority of us in Low Sec live here. Because simply without joining a coalition, without being part of the "hive" so to speak the chances of one striking out on their own as a smaller entity and actually holding Sov is 0% so long as you have no ties to bigger and more powerful entities.

Even worse, the grinds, the ability for Coalitions to regain SOV via Supercaps and grinding back structures leaves it dull and an impossibility for those smaller groups even entertaining the idea of striking out to Null for their own sake. Which leads me to another tangent:

Supers. Supers and Titans NEED defined roles. Supers themselves have many strengths but limited uses especially in a post era when these changes take place. I personally hope that CCP revamps and reworks Titans and Supers to give them truly unique strengths, and very unique weaknesses for those of us whom dare to fly such ships into combat.

Post Phoebe Supers and Titans have limited uses even now and without retooling these ships will find even less use except as Eve's own ICBM's for Coalitions to defend key systems. I'm assuming (and guessing) that CCP will release Super changes in tandem with these SOV changes.

And for those whom have cried for the last 54 pages. I DARE you to sit here and say the current SOV mechanics are fine the way they are. They aren't. They haven't been for years. Keep an open mind or suffer even more stagnation at the hands of complainers and those at the top who want no change or campaign for the CSM to rollback Phoebe changes so their own powerful friends can once again dominate New Eden with little to no consequence.

Do it CCP. No fear.

Also, please show us the T3 fit and I'll show you the sniper ship that erases it

Proberbly farms Jove ships.