Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's the thing CCP can't make their dam mind up what role a carrier should play, If it indeed falls in the logistics role its jump range and fatigue needs altering but that is highly unlikely because of "enter CCP reason here" and the late grey scale narrowing the meaning of carrier to combat because it can use drones, Never mind the fact it's the only ship to use a Triage module that surprise surprise itself is a major LOGISTICAL buff to carriers.

CCP I want a job I can't code for crap but I know your own product better than you do since I've been working with it for 10+ years...




If they could actually do their job's correctly this would never have been as a big deal as it is, The drone augmentation modules are being passed down to delegated fighters while all the time the hull bonuses of the carrier are not but I suppose it's easier to remove a right click option in game than it is to FIX THE PROBLEM CCP CREATED.

Check the fighter stats Here if you doubt my information about fighters and their delegated damage from the carrier hull being passed down or not

The thany in the tests I have done does not get the damage modifier from the Nyx hull making it more viable for the thany itself to launch fighters rather than receive them remotely from the Nyx.

It's when you add drone damage modules, Tracking modules and speed modules to the Nyx ( in this example ) that them modules stats ARE passed down leading to a suggested explosion in sky net.

I have noticed a lot of players selling their thannys in null for cheap prices I am hoping this is a big troll on CCP's part. If not I hope a skill reimbursement is incoming or the reversal of the previous fighter nerf atleast. If nothing well its time to whelp my thannys and sell off my fighters and pos.

That Reventant was not an "easy kill" FYI, it has been tracked and hunted for MONTHS by at least several groups before it died, where of course PL had the biggest chance to catch him with their immense super fleet staying relatively close to where he dwelled. And to be honest. it died mostly because it was a Revenant, a really worthy prize. Should that be a Thanny or even a Nyx nobody would probably bother.

And that's the point - if you want easy kills, go gank noobs in Jita rather than using Thannys on a POS with lowered shields or sticiking to its FF. That's the easiest and safest way to PVP and I am really glad CCP did this.

As to the fighters warp ability - it should be kept, but making them pointable (and scrammable) is a good idea.

You're not wrong in that there was a great effort in tracking this guy down at the right time and gathering the force to take it on. The actual fight itself didn't last long, and two DD's just made it into so much burning wreckage. In my opinion that's the way every capital kill should be, a Herculean effort, worth the risk of taking one on. Supers and Titans have the drawback of not being able to dock at all, so there should be some mitigating factor in the gargantuan risk in owning one. Carriers can dock but their mass and size hampers their ability to escape, again there's the balance.

I point again to my earlier post about small aircraft carriers like the USS Ranger; should it be easily sinkable by Somalian pirates with a Zodiac and rpgs? No; it's a freaking aircraft carrier. But it's only a small one, 60,000 tonnes compared to the current 100,000 tonnes in a Gerald R. Ford–class aircraft carrier (super carrier).

To sink one of these bad boys it would take a real fighting force of modern fighters with well trained pilots and land to sea anti-ship missiles, plus probably a submarine force.

But in Eve all you need is two Atrons and a n00bship. Sometimes even less. So who's risk versus reward is CCP worried about? Capital pilots who shell out a couple billion isk to own and fit a carrier or tens of billions on a supercarrier or hundreds of billions on a titan? Or the 10s of millions of the lowsec guys in t1 cruisers that dont want CCP let us protect our investments.

Yay, real life military analogies! Is there an incoming Sun Tzu quote as well?

But caustic remarks aside - I am not really following your point on how 2 Atrons and a Noobship can kill a Capital in EVE - unless, of course, they are being assisted by a flight of Fighters from a safe Super or Carrier, sitting on a POS. That's exactly my point, thank you for that.

Also I believe you are actually reinforcing my key point - two guys in Atrons and a noobship should be an easy kill for a guy in a, say, Vagabond (look at your "it costs more so it should be harder to kill" argument). However, if the said Atrons have ten friends in Carriers in a system, that makes the whole concept of "small PVP" useless and almost totally risk-free for a side using crap ships assisted by fighter - and is EXACTLY what CCP wants to elimante.

The problem exists of 2 things:
1. the carrier is not exposed enough for a good fight to happen
2. the problem exists more in lowsec and gatecamping

There is less of a problem in nullsec as alliances use their toys to defend their own space

Therefore, as I have said before, Empires in Lowsec disrupts the electronics system of the carrier so delegation cant be done, AND, the POS onlines automatically, AND delegation can only be done in nullsec atleast 20km away from the POS shields.

What about the fact that a supercarrier or carrier is tackled 3 minutes after a interdictor dies to the drones in nullsec ? 40m ship that tackles a 30b ship incl fittings for 3 whole minutes. Is it fair ?

20k is still marginally in range of shields, so I would be happy with 50km. That's too far to slowboat in, not far enough to warp. One would have to be aligned to a safe and be moving to be safer. That is a perfectly reasonable compromise wouldnt you agree?

Way to dumb down the game. So much to listening to your player base who have spent MONTHS training for these things.

The least you can do is make it where only interdictor and heavy interdictor's can point a carrier/dreadnought.

Once again; thank you for the finger.