Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because they're drones but more expensive than the average shitp you fly, because on the lore they've pilots, because they're the size of a cruiser, because how they're constructed.
You should shut up and keep on flying cruisers John Snow.

The Value is assign fighter 0 or 1.
As i already said this is black and white and i am used from CCP about 50 shades of grey.



Thanks, my last hope are some good arguments from CCP which explains their black/white decisions and helps me to understand.

CCP, i appreciate which you allow us to give you a feedback but this is not how i imagine a constructive discussion.

IMHO: A lot of people just trolled in this thread and didn´t really helped to find a solution.

So i have the solution for you to remove skynet and have all player happy: MAKE CHANGE THE DAY WHO YOU REBALANCE CAPITAL NOT BEFORE.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Player can kill carrier/super near pos (yes yes they can if they are not just 10 in inty...). So yes they need to have more of 1 is for 10-20 is kill on the grid.

I think the more important problem for CCP developer is you see ris vs reward for people who want create ressources... BUT for some people the good ressource is KM. So make more ris vs reward to have a good KM.

Player want follow CCP to have more strategical game, so not only more difficult for people who rat/mining/explo, but for ALL player, means bad roam can only trap ship with little value, and people with more preparation better player, who are ready to take risk can have good KM.



Really i don't care about player who cry because they die cause of skynet actually. You have a lot of target without skynet. And if you are skynet it's a luck : find the carrier, make into to other roam and go to tackle/kill the carrier near is pos by surprise, nothing else. If you are very little roam : just change system to roam.

Swing and a miss by CCP again. We are not only concerned about a loss of return on investment, but on the increasingly worrying attitude of listening to the whiners and a very vocal minority who demand CCP remove or nerf whatever the FOTM is. I have not seen any good arguments as to why assist should be removed. If you were going to remove assist from the beginning, next time don't lie to us, and say so in your first post. You have not given one reason why the minimum distance from a POS idea would not work or is invalid. Before fighters were affected by drone modules, people would use ships such as a Huginn or Rapier sitting in the middle of a bubble field, as their long-range webs and bonus to paints would go some way towards compensating for th poor performance of fighters. These carriers would be very tanky as they would not have to remove tank for drone application modules, which meant that drive-by DD's were rare. Now that ships are shedding tank faster than someone dropping a hot pan, they are opening themselves up to drive-by DDs, or a single Moros. Why are they being punished for accepting a massive increase in risk?

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We already disproved this. If you figure out where in the general system he and the POS are located, you can set up a stop or a drag bubble, wait for him to warp, and then drop him. Hell you only really need a single Armageddon to neut out a carrier now, especially if he's fit for fighter DPS. Toss in a few Talos or torpedo bombers, and you have a newly acquired killmail.

Rise use the RISK VS Reward argument : I use the same argument to said make your change you only increase risk for people who create ressources, not for roam. And roam win Reward and loss many risk.

So if i follow the risk VS reward : They must rebalance capital in same time they nerf skynet. i want a public/private debat with CCP rise. I thin CCP don't understand a simple fact: player are not against nerf, we want argument of CCP for this nerf. And agree with the devblog they have 0 argument to do this. So why make the balance now, and don't wait the rebalance ?

They are expensive drones which have the ability to warp and chase targets which you pay with 20 Million for around 200DPS per drone. Also they are easy to kill if you want, but doesn't produce a kill mail so not interesting for PVP.




You pointed it out, there is maybe a Problem with DED Pockets which get miss used. But these player which found this feature... they have my respect.

I don't think you know how the mechanic to which I refer actually works.

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@Rroff: It is not ideal, I'll fully admit - but it was likely the most pragmatic fix available. I would hope that any capital rebalance is sooner than later and this is taken into account. In many ways, maybe it is better to lose this NOW than after a rebalance. It gives a rebalance a better shot of working well.

Then please do educate me. If you're referring, however, to the instance where an interceptor warps into a gated pocket, burns just out of grid, has the carrier warp to him, slowboat inside the grid, finish the pocket so that the gate despawns, that has been ruled an exploit and will result in one getting banned.

Hello Anhenka,

I am sorry but i don't agree with you.

If 200 People write the Sky is green, do you believe the Sky is green?
No, but if the 200 People explain why the Sky is green and you can understand it i would suggest you would change you mind, which the same i would do.

I will repeat it again and again the risk vs reward is balanced as there are enough options given to kill a carrier either by a titan or an single dread in a drive by. Unfortunately most people writing here are not capable of an vessel like this neither they have friends in eve which could help them. Also do not forget a CYNO Jammer, which make it impossible to jump in.
These people decided to live in 0.0 and own this area, why they are not allowed to have a better defence than some roaming pvp group? Because it is unfair, there are no rules in 0.0.. just bring 4 Basis and your are fine with the incoming dps.

1. These fits doesn't provide a Tank, which make it possible to get killed by a single dread (drive by shooting)
2. If there are 3 vessels on grid we talk about 15x Fighter which increases the chance of an hit by 15.
3. Regarding my experience a proper Pilot is able to kite them, once he is scram/webbed he dies.

They are, but the weak fit make it possible to increase the chance to hit. I would say fighter works perfect against Cruiser and above which can provide enough tank to kill the ship which the drones are assigned before they die. But you will never be perfected suited against Fighter as it is not needed in a small/medium PVP gang.



You found a Problem, now think about a solution.
Try to keep all people busy during the fight don't give time for thinking. I dont know if a pointed/bubbled fighter is able to warp.