Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Kane Carnifex, you said it bro, nothing more to say :)

Goin Off, people in my alliance don't really move their carrier to make their logistique, I personnaly don't move my carrier to bring some ships from high-sec but yeah old player and new player won't skill for capitals as they are becoming useless and CCP don't like capitals but we players like these ships and skill these ships for a long time. So please CCP don't remove capitals, make them more usefull, may be make them more expensive to product.

I must admit to a bit of confusion.

If you at CCP didn't want this situation, whatever made you think that applying the originating carrier's mod bonuses to assigned fighters was a change worth implementing?

Assigned fighters were AFAIK not a huge problem when they were assigned without ship bonuses (specifically damage and tracking).

Because you do not have a Fleet which is able to kill a Carrier by a drive by? Either you avoid the battle or try to get in advantage by more logistics etc. It doesn´t ruin PvP, you just don't agree ti fight with your disadvantage.

Exactly the point :)

You could even fight with 3 Skiffs an incoming Gang or likely bait them until you friends from the neighbour hood arrives.

I think it is also funny to fight an incoming cruiser gang with some Assault frigates which using assigned fighter.
Here the attacker have the option to take the fight and may lose some ships but once you kill the assault frigates they also loose the Fighter. Also it would be possible to bring more people which just let you pop the frigates faster.

I have the feeling which the PvP Gangs are complaining of to much defense in the system they want to kill hulks and other shiny ships with a pve tank.

Some of your knowledge of this is 6 months behind the curve (atleast taking your post at face value) - people doing this are increasingly moving away from sitting at the edge of the FF towards other ways of using POS mechanics to be safe where they don't need to move back inside the FF to become perfectly safe.

Even a ship with interceptor speed and sig will struggle to kite off fighters unless with a head start let alone a cruiser from what I've seen - many of the original complaints were purely due to people scouting in inties, etc. getting initial tackle for a small gang then getting alpha'd trying to escape when fighters arrived.





The revenant that got killed while it had been involved with doing skynet stuff got caught on login 20-30km outside the POS FF possibly at the spot where he cyno'd in. (which IMO is a good example of why fighter assignment should follow cyno restrictions around a POS).

The more I think about this topic, the more it irritates me.

Some things in this game are clearly broken - e.g. POS mechanics. Others are annoying to one very vocal group of people who practice a specific set of kiting tactics and are very successful most of the time with those tactics. Then that group encounters a situation where their tactic doesn't work. Someone has a counter to the fast roaming, kiting gang! Oh the horror! Instead of saying bring a different fleet composition, they complain as loudly as possible to everyone who will listen.

So, the solution is to destroy the depth of the battlefield by essentially making every contributor, except leadership boosts, be on the same grid. Just like that we've gone from something approximating late 20th century naval warfare back to 18th century warfare. Is Eve a better game with tactics from Trafalgar than Midway?

Additionally, I have never used this tactic, but it sounds like the game was working fine. It wasn't broken. It was not invincible. Annoying perhaps, at least for the unprepared. But is it really worse than 200 Archons with sentry drones sitting off a station or IHub? The small roaming gang cannot counter that either. Nor could they counter thirty Dominixes... Or any number of other compositions. If I set up my capitals in one system, what stops you from going around that system?

It is no more annoying than when that same agile roaming gang warps around for fifteen minutes dodging probes, then logs off because you countered their elite PVP one trick pony play style and now have the exit gate locked down.

Does this change mean that CCP really doesn't know what to do with capital ships?

Does this change mean that CCP really cannot think of ways to alter the environment to make this tactic less appealing in some circumstances where it might be more problematic?

I thought it was up to the players to push the edges of the sandbox? Unless we broke the edges, CCP should keep out of it. Particularly when they don't seem to understand it or have good idea where they are going with it.

In short, as someone who has been playing for eight years, I am concerned by this proposal and think it is inelegant and short-sighted at best. If there is a problem with aggro mechanics, fix it.

I think it means "everything altering combat coming from off grid will die when they find a way to do it/can be bothered to implement it".

If your dumb enough to enter someone's home system and attack them without scouting the system first then you get what you deserve.

If you feel a need to Cry to CCP to nerf a feature that has been around for almost 10 years, I think your playing the wrong game!

Keep Fighters as they are!

Change it because a few scrubs can't handle losing a few ships to prepared defenders, and I will think long and hard about wether CCP still deserves my $15 a month.

As I mentioned before my preferred solution would be to implement the tracking formula for fighters (and sentries as an aside) like titans where the signature component has more weight - with the right parameters it makes it very hard to hit inties, etc. while having minimal (AFAIK) knock on effect to applying damage to say BC sized and larger targets (where the sig component of the chance to hit formula would be satisfied).

There is a bit of a knock on effect to people who might use "skynet" to rat from POS in that they will have to risk something slightly more expensive to regain parity in the efficiency of killing smaller NPC ships but I don't really have a lot of sympathy there as it merely means putting a little more ISK onto the field and still doesn't mean risking the carrier.


EDIT: This makes sense to me anyhow as while fighters are frigate sized craft they have normal pilots rather than pod pilots so wouldn't have the same level of gunnery skills ;)

TBH despite flying carriers for more than 3 years I've never experimented with that setting - just left it enabled and micro-managed my fighters, I was aware of of being there and what it was supposed to do however though couldn't say if it actually worked or not heh.