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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#721 - 2012-05-07 14:48:01 UTC
James 315 wrote:

I suppose you could say that I have a natural prejudice against them.
Do I despise them? Absolutely.

my hatred of the miners becomes a non-factor.

But am I able to be completely objective? Hell yes! In studying the highsec miner, I am essentially a neutral party...

My objective analysis of the highsec miners has concluded that my prejudice against them is well-founded. They do deserve the disgust that people feel for them.

Stopped reading there....

Jesus, go get a cabin in the Rocky Mountains, ffs

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#722 - 2012-05-07 15:01:38 UTC
Shea Valerien wrote:
Always amazes me how much time you waste on these things.

And no, not every miner is essentially a "bot." No more than any mission runner. Or any exploration person that presses the same keys and repeats the same functions over and over. Or anybody that uses the same PVP fitting on his rifter and uses the same attack process almost every time. Or incursion runners. And it doesn't matter whether you do these in high, low or null (you almost need to be as vigilant in well traveled high sec systems these days as a miner as you do in low or nullsec).

Eve, in and of itself, is a spreadsheet game, which makes it very prone to "botting" behavior from every player. This isn't a reflex-based shooter.

These "manifestos" always humor me to no end.


Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. Its not the same thing no matter how much you want to say it is to say its just as interactive as any other activity in EVE. Its not, its literally the least interactive activity in EVE. Which is a point that the OP made, if you bothered to read thru most of the original post, which you probably didn't before you thought you'd hit the reply button and say something worthwhile when in fact you didn't say anything at all. Roll
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#723 - 2012-05-07 15:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Calfis wrote:
Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions.

And that's the *MINERS* fault?

Look, that was so stupid, I have to ask... Are you normally that dense, or did you go to the stupid locker and pull out an "extra-large" - just for this thread?

Edit to add: How is the mechanic of the thing the *miners* fault?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#724 - 2012-05-07 15:34:43 UTC
Because Hulk seller sells Hulk.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#725 - 2012-05-07 15:53:52 UTC
Calfis wrote:
Shea Valerien wrote:
Always amazes me how much time you waste on these things.

And no, not every miner is essentially a "bot." No more than any mission runner. Or any exploration person that presses the same keys and repeats the same functions over and over. Or anybody that uses the same PVP fitting on his rifter and uses the same attack process almost every time. Or incursion runners. And it doesn't matter whether you do these in high, low or null (you almost need to be as vigilant in well traveled high sec systems these days as a miner as you do in low or nullsec).

Eve, in and of itself, is a spreadsheet game, which makes it very prone to "botting" behavior from every player. This isn't a reflex-based shooter.

These "manifestos" always humor me to no end.


Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions. Its not the same thing no matter how much you want to say it is to say its just as interactive as any other activity in EVE. Its not, its literally the least interactive activity in EVE. Which is a point that the OP made, if you bothered to read thru most of the original post, which you probably didn't before you thought you'd hit the reply button and say something worthwhile when in fact you didn't say anything at all. Roll


I thought war dec'n indy corps and station camping was the least interactive "activity" in Eve.

That being said, the best argument for high sec ganking miners is to reduce the "camouflage" caused by more human miners, which allows more botters to get killed.

Manufacturers, traders, researchers, are much less interactive than high sec mining and are much more lucrative, yet I don't see anyone bashing on them.

From a human perspective, I know several heavy PvP'rs who "afk" mine during the week days because they're busy watching their kids. They use this ISK to fund their weekend PvP activities. A blanket statement to say all high sec miners deserve to be ganked is quite ignorant.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#726 - 2012-05-07 16:13:48 UTC
The more often they let this guys rants stay shows the bias CCP has against Miners in this game. If CCP disagreed with the OP theyd close this thread for the rant that it is.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Lady Vamp
Perkone
Caldari State
#727 - 2012-05-07 16:16:49 UTC
Arethanerielle Xhiril wrote:
Guys it's just a troll, propably some goon alt, imitating psychopaths like breivik for maximum controversy.

Move on, nothing to see here.


Keep the man away from small islands Ugh
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#728 - 2012-05-07 16:48:58 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Calfis wrote:
Sorry bro, you can't read a book while you are pvping or doing incursions.

And that's the *MINERS* fault?

Look, that was so stupid, I have to ask... Are you normally that dense, or did you go to the stupid locker and pull out an "extra-large" - just for this thread?

Edit to add: How is the mechanic of the thing the *miners* fault?


No its not, but using the same fit for PvP all the time or targeting the same sansha NPCs in sites is still not the same as AFK mining. Which is the previous poster was trying to argue, something along the lines of if "AFK mining is botting then we are all botting because we do the same things all the time in other aspects of eve" at least thats how I interpreted it. Please tell me if that was not actually what he was arguing.
Jonak
Genesis Deep Space Exploration
#729 - 2012-05-07 20:24:36 UTC
Why don't miners just not sell anything (ore, ice, gas products, etc) for 30 days. Or sell them at ridiculously high prices. Then if someone wants to build something they have to use their own minerals or mine for themselves.
SabotNoob
Doomheim
#730 - 2012-05-07 21:00:04 UTC
To write a "manifesto" on an internet spaceship game. Especially a "manifesto" that 's violently bad. This game has gotten under your skin, that much is obvious.

You're wasting your life on this drivel. Do this- Deep breath, go outside, make some RL friends, etc. Get a job too while you're at it. Meet some girls, can't go wrong with them (well, maybe you can with some, but still...). Hopefully you'll loosen up. Who knows, maybe you'll come back and start mining, lol.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#731 - 2012-05-07 21:36:19 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Still not locked?

Ha-ha! IN!!

(Gas thread, perma-ban OP for being a complete jackass, and [/necro])
On the contrary, it would appear my manifesto is more relevant today than ever before.


Yeah, but you're still a prat.

[/necro]

Ni.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#732 - 2012-05-08 10:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Lyrrashae wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Still not locked?

Ha-ha! IN!!

(Gas thread, perma-ban OP for being a complete jackass, and [/necro])
On the contrary, it would appear my manifesto is more relevant today than ever before.


No, it's not, and you're still a prat.

[/necro]

FYP....

Calfis wrote:
No its not, but using the same fit for PvP all the time or targeting the same sansha NPCs in sites is still not the same as AFK mining. Which is the previous poster was trying to argue, something along the lines of if "AFK mining is botting then we are all botting because we do the same things all the time in other aspects of eve" at least thats how I interpreted it. Please tell me if that was not actually what he was arguing.

I believe he was using hyperbole - at least that's how I took it, i.e. "eve isn't a twitch based game..."

vOv

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Malkhar Turasan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#733 - 2012-05-08 11:20:31 UTC
OP is a typing bot

gave me a good laugh until reading gets too boring at all
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#734 - 2012-05-08 12:36:12 UTC
The OP had to use all those words just to say what I can summarize in one sentence:

"I'm a douche-bag."

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
SuperKawaiiDesuYo
#735 - 2012-05-08 14:08:40 UTC
like most people attempting to write on the internet, you spend too much time not explaining what people are expecting. plenty of mystery novels do this, 50-75% of the beginning is all random conjecture that isn't interesting, and when you finally get to the point (in this case why do people kill miners, or i mystery novels the actual killing/solving) i've already wanted to stop reading because you're bored me to death and the first point you make on assuming everyone is a botter, is incorrect.

unless this a troll post, in which case congrats! you've probably wasted a lot of time, but only 5 minutes of my time reading some of your post/writing this. i guess i've wasted your time reading this too, cool. i love eve online.
ineeda isk
Doomheim
#736 - 2012-05-08 14:12:32 UTC
wow makes me want to get a pvp bot
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#737 - 2012-05-08 14:24:18 UTC
How many times is this crap going to get posted over and over again? The need to write it in the first place was pretty sick, given the creepy sociopath vibe it gives off. The need to post it over and over adds to the effect. Who cares why you think miners are the worst side of eve? I think you're the worst side of Eve. We both have opinions. I can express mine briefly. You need thousands of words.

Nobody needs an excuse to kill anything in this game, right? That's the point.

You make reasons for killing miners because you want some justification that makes it heroic to shoot a ship that can't shoot back. Simple.
Oraac Ensor
#738 - 2012-05-08 14:31:13 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Before I begin to explain the forces behind the rapid increase in hatred and violence against the miners, I probably ought to make some disclosures. I am a suicide ganker. I kill highsec miners. And aside from the reasons that we'll be exploring in a moment, I simply don't have any fondness for highsec miners. Personally, I just find them easy to dislike. Even apart from what they actually do, their presence has always irritated me. I suppose you could say that I have a natural prejudice against them.

When I examine the phenomenon of the highsec miner, I put all of that aside. Do I despise them? Absolutely. But am I able to be completely objective? Hell yes! In studying the highsec miner, I am essentially a neutral party, as my hatred of the miners becomes a non-factor.

What utter garbage!

Your admitted prejudice makes objectivity absolutely impossible.
Kirikarasu
R3D SHIFT
#739 - 2012-05-08 14:35:05 UTC
ShockedOMFG!!! Get the auto shotgun Bertha!!! It's an attack of the drug induced, text sperging, Threadnaught Zombie!!!
Didier Nardieu
Tux factory
#740 - 2012-05-08 14:38:51 UTC
Its a joke to read post after post that the high sec miner is "the problem" in eve..... its a shame if you null sec player cant do better than kill high sec miner. Pvp player do pvp and miner do mining thats simple and the game is dead if you cant accept there is different way to play eve. I stop the game some months ago because gankers.... i'm back and dont want to let you win against me.

But dont forget if high sec player abandon the game.... your game is dead. You must accept that the game need everybody to exist.