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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

First post
Ion Industrials
#41 - 2011-12-02 03:48:42 UTC
Someone had a paper to write for school 7000 words or more.

"F=ma, so obviously they're putting mouths against arses to produce a force." "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?"

Trainwreck McGee
#42 - 2011-12-02 03:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Trainwreck McGee
I think miners are sad sad people but you sir take the cake

Edit - and of coarse i didn't read it all

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2011-12-02 03:54:09 UTC
So yeah basically, whoever was asking what a 10/10 was a few days ago.

Well you better believe in 10/10s
You're browsing in one.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Mara Tessidar
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-12-02 03:55:13 UTC
Another reason Goons shoot random people is because they're all random pubbies who don't understand **** when it's spelled out for them

also James 315 is definitely not the mittani, I don't know how you could possibly draw that conclusion. They've both denied it, too, in case you were not swayed by my previous assertion.

And the OP is totally an aspie psycho.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-12-02 03:57:11 UTC
7420 words that prove that EVE is Real for some people.
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2011-12-02 03:57:21 UTC
I read the first two pages then lost interest - just one question however did the OP mention where the ore for the ships was gonna come from without miners ?
Herrington Vance
#47 - 2011-12-02 03:58:51 UTC
Beautiful work.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-12-02 04:02:09 UTC
#1) Miners counterbalance inflation to some extent. They produce most of the raw material that produces ships
Contrast to mission runners who produce lots of ISK and little "real" value

#2) Miners provide squishy targets for those "humans" that like pulling the trigger - much easier targets than mission runners, who can be just as braindead.
Consider a rattlesnake missioner: Load FOF missiles, turn on hardeners, warp into mission, launch drones, turn on launchers, do a soduku.
Why do you hate the miner and not the missioner? I suspect you do hate the missioner, but aren't willing to spend the ISK to take them out as they have much stronger buffers. I occasionally mine or mission semi AFK just to get some ISK to fund other things.
Then there is the incursion blitzer:
Warp to OTA, AA DD (D) if alone, if contesting, shoot augas first then Deltoles, put drons on frigs. If logi, repair those taking the most damage. Its almost robotic.
You can also often get fairly nice loot. I have more respect for the incursion gankers than the miner gankers.

#3) Miners obviously do take risks, as they are suicide ganked. You provide the risk. When its 100% certain you lose your ship, its not a risk, its a cost, the only risk a suicide ganker takes is that he won't kill the target before losing his ship.
As a suicide ganker, unless you have a really low sec status, you are nearly untouchable before starting your attack. Unless people suicide attack you.... losing a ship to try and stop losing a ship... not a viable proposition.

#4) Miners have less room for adaptation, the mining ships cant fit a decent tank, they can't fight back, and they cant get protection because Concord protects the suicide gankers prior to the suicide attack. The miners only option is to flee
It is for this reason I proposed some changes:
* Allow players to attack other players with low security ratings without Concord intervention. I made a thread on this, but basically if your security rating is such that NPC police attack you in 0.7 space, other players can attack you in 0.5 space (or 0.8 and 0.6)
Let players attempt to kill the suicide gankers before they suicide ganker starts his attack

*Add "Q ships" (aka combat ships that mimic miners, or ships that can be fit to be effective miners, or OK combat craft, but not both at the same time) so that miners can actually fight back
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#49 - 2011-12-02 04:02:21 UTC
WTFBS is this ?!?!

Best pro ganking propaganda ever!

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

Cascades Mountain Operatives
#50 - 2011-12-02 04:06:36 UTC
die to a hail of blaster fire

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-12-02 04:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Krios Ahzek wrote:

Seriously I'm pretty sure I read something that would resemble the executive summary of this very large post somewhere on one of the many suicide ganking/propaganda/ice interdiction threads of the last few months. It was really unnecessary.

Oh no
In a flash of insight, I just realized that this uncanny familiarity with the theme and writing style exposed in the original post might just be from reading the entire Sins Of A Solar Spymaster series over the last few weeks.

I don't know what to think anymore.

I'm scared now.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Mara Tessidar
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-12-02 04:13:01 UTC
Denidil wrote:
die to a hail of blaster fire

Are you talking about your alliance or to the OP? :smug:
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-12-02 04:17:12 UTC
No one cares
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2011-12-02 04:30:07 UTC
You know what the problem is with this forum?

In the morning, this thread and all the other great playgrounds created while the sun was set will be locked and/or moved.

These forums have a defining storyline. Jobber alts, heels, faces, grudges, long running feuds. But only when the sun goes down over Iceland, only when darkness crawls across the land do the shadows thin enough for the warriors to gaze upon their true faces.

Your posts are temporary. Their legacy endures.

EVE By Night.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Critical Mass Inc
#55 - 2011-12-02 04:30:53 UTC
While I freely admit I didn't read the entire thread (a solo threadnaught, impressive), you kind of lost me on two points:

One, the automatic assumption that all players would be bots if they could be.

Two, I fell asleep trying to read the whole thing.

I might try to read it again waiting for my next Hulk run to finish, which takes far less time now with the need to actually fit a tank, but somehow I doubt it.


This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet

Handsome Hussein
#56 - 2011-12-02 04:31:49 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Your posts are temporary. Their legacy endures.

EVE By Night.

I am proud to forum warrior during PST.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.

Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-12-02 04:55:38 UTC
tl,dr aspect

Why destroy hulks?

They ******* die, no purpose to them in game.

Fix-Remove Hulks, problem solved.

The reasoning behind this attitude?

Bored ass "hardcore" gamers too much of a pussy in real life to smack someone else around in real life for fear of "real law/repercussions" and justify "its a video game" where there are less consequences so they feel better about themselves where real people are on the other end of the computer which they can slap around at no risk to boost their egos.

Fix-Shut the ******* server off, problem solved.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-12-02 05:00:17 UTC
I agree with you, we should all man up and make the world a better place by committing the crime of assault against random citizens of our respective countries instead of shooting pixels in a space game *thus proving our wimpyness*.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Jonas Xiamon
#59 - 2011-12-02 05:10:49 UTC
10/10, best troll ever.

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.

Joseph Dreadloch
Dread Space Inc.
#60 - 2011-12-02 05:12:08 UTC
Read the entire thing and enjoyed it greatly.

However for the exact reasons you've written, I hate the Highsec Mission runner even more. They are every bit the same as Highsec Miners yet are not as vulnerable to crusaders such as yourself.