EVE General Discussion

Wasn't really a lack of content that killed Incarna as it was a lack of content, plus breaking the game, plus internal news letter threatening to break the game further.


Really, there was a lot of emotion going on in those times but it wasn't simply because flying content was taking a small break. That was merely the pebble that summoned the avalanche.

I disagree, there were heaps of features. Less than some other expansions? Sure, significantly so? No.

Effectively what you're saying here is you didn't particularly like the features they added in those expansions, therefore they didn't exist.

Bear in mind that there are less people working on EVE FiS content now than there were during Incarna because they've laid loads of them off.

Name these Tyrannis features I have overlooked, I acknowledged the ones that I remember, so don't effectively say otherwise for me.

Yes there are a lot less CCP employees now because CCP borrowed money to make WoD, Dust and WIS along with future development of Eve Online. When things went pear shaped in 2011 it was assured that a large number would be laid off. Another reason not to trust them to attempt to do more WIS stuff now.

In all likelihood, CCP probably were planning a series of generic rooms, that would have appeared in an identical configuration in every single station, if we were lucky, in four racial skins.

I recommend people look up "orbital stations" in SWTOR. Half the planets you visit have a "spaceport" on the surface, and your ship goes to a hanger there. The other half, being worlds the faction is mid-invading (for example the Imperials have a Spaceport on Balmorra, the Republic use an Orbital Station, and visa-versa on Taris), or being inhospitable (Hoth being a prime example), your ship goes to an orbital space station, and you catch a shuttle from there to the surface. These orbital stations are identical - same layout, same hanger positions, just the NPC's are occasionally moved around, and sometimes the flags, piles of crates, and pot plants are in different places. There is one exception to this, and thats for Makeb, which is the main planet on their first expansion of the game, and even then, when you look you realise it is still the same base model with a couple of extra rooms added, and a few pillars and larger furniture pieces to break up some of the larger spaces. When you play SWTOR, by about the third orbital station you have stopped paying attension to a single feature of it - it has stopped being a location of any merit, its just a couple of corridors and transition points that are delaying you getting from your ship to the important location.

That is for a game that is entirely about avatars walking around; its the main feature. And that game has probably only got ~20 or so of these orbital stations - the Kimotoro Constellation in the Forge (Jita, Perimetre, Niyabainen, New Caldari, Maurasi, etc) has twice that number of stations alone. Even if they only did one matching internal layout for all stations of the same model, with 3-4 per race (as a massive under-estimate), Pirate faction stations, Outposts, there is still far more station types in EvE than there is orbital stations in the entirety of SWTOR). To expect a higher standard from CCP for a periphery element to the game, with multiple orders of magnitude more instances of them is insanity.

Union Over Internet : U O I (The self entitlement crowd, you owe I)

If you were present before and after the incarna debacle, you could sense the culture that a group or groups were attempting to display to CCP hf. that their union was capable of facilitating a profound change in the revenue stream through discussion of the finer things in EVE until people didn't like them, it was reductionist, brought to a head with the GiG moment.

(Reductionist; a term usually used in relation to 'race to the bottom' concessions)

We're all in the real world, there is a lot of opportunity in EVE and outside of EVE. Groups that constantly pander for simplicity are only capable of a disruptive conclusion. The ones that pledged to keep it interesting are the only members of these groups that form fleets / corps / chat topics with a view to keeping the game interesting while you play.

They do do more than me, they have my respect.

They do have a legacy of copycats that still want simple, there is still a need for interesting content. The game has a cult following, that draws crowds. MMO players like to see development before they join so they know they wont exhaust all the content, forever.


With all that said, time is precious. I feel it would be fitting for EVE Online to develop further, they are in the Museum of Modern Art after all.

The group that were against microtransactions likely have bling fits and ship SKINs now. When microtransactions were opposed the opposition used the topic as pub ammunition to incite a response, now it's just a necessary display of wealth.

CCP hf. did well there, as the microtransaction model was being rolled out in other games at the start of the f2p rush.

Walking in stations doesn't need 50 individual layouts for all the variations of station present in game, right now there is an opportunity for just 5 - boarding the Drifter Hives.

There is an opportunity for another 20, stations on the boundary of Empire space.

There is also an opportunity to have the same layout present in each station with a different overlay, due to the proximity of the environment to the Captains quarters.

It's not necessarily 'vague is best' in station design, and the practical implementation of SKINs proves that models can display various types of design with the same underlying dimensions.


How that would compare with SW:TOR is quite simple - context, the same corridors and rooms with different skins is the bread and butter WiS feel. The situational developments like tackling a hive, or a sleeper preservation conduit, can be bespoke in line with the development cycle of lore content.



This relates to a game that was entirely avatar driven, with the majority of player time spent amongst the, reportedly, stagnant scenery.

Yes it equates to 20 Months of EVE Online revenue, and is untenable, it shouldn't cost as much as it is a limited scope, it also does not require the planet environments, the ship coding, the extra details.

We have WiS already but we are limited to our captains quarters. So why anyone would be against working on it further is beyond me because its not going anywhere.

If you are against WiS you have already lost so why not help make suggestions to improve the crap we have currently.

If we count the CQ related headings vs Non CQ headings in Incarna patch notes we find:

2 CQ (granted CQ is a big one)
37 Non CQ

Nuff Said :)

That signature of yours made me smile.

Well to start off, it could be a far more immersive way to kill off those 3rd party gambling websites.

I think this is the real issue most people have. We love the game CCP has made, which is why we are all here, so I'd say let's see what they can do with WiS. It might not be pretty to start off with (currently its terrible) but in the future who knows how good it could be. They are the video game developers and I think we should all start trusting them a bit more with where they want to take EVE.

Let's face it we imagine what EVE Online could be like in an ideal world it would definitely involve some level of WiS that we don't currently have. I just want to see these changes sooner rather than later. If that means we don't get 100% of the devs working on space mechanics for 6 months, so be it. The game is great already, It's not perfect but it never will be. Someone will always have something that they want 'fixing'.

This just happens to be the thing in most need of fixing

@ Scipio - You make a great point and I can't argue against it. But would slowing down the time it takes for you to fit a ship (for example) be such a terrible thing if you did it in a way which was far more immersive? For me the answer is yes, but I do understand your point and I guess for lots of people they would see this as just adding 'meaningless fluff' that gets in the way of pew pew.

I'd like to think one day EVE isnt known for spreadsheets in space, but a fully immersive experience. That's just my two cents though, I understand that not everyone would want things to be slowed down.