EVE General Discussion

It was as much about one as it was the other, and to belittle those that felt **** on by the unnecessary development at the expense of fixing existing problems is to be a **** person. That is all. Say no to drugs.

Don't talk to yourself.

The summer of rage was about the literal years of wasted dev time that CCP flushed down the drain playing Space Barbies every bit as much as it was about pay to win.

You're the one spinning, trying to draw a narrative more favorable to the agenda that you're trying to push, like the dishonest chav you are.

Greed is Good was about Walking in Stations. People now try to claim WiS and the NeX were all completely independant features which 'just happened' to get shipped in the same expansion, but thats misrepresenting the truth; they were shipped together because they were co-dependant. CCP came to the conclusion (rightly or wrongly) that the only mileage WiS had was as a window to a cash-shop. That was the reason for the rage, that after all that time wasted they baited-and-switched us, instead of a fully-functional gameplay expansion (that we were barely tolerating the neglect in order to recieve), all we got for a year and a half of complete neglect was microtransactions. Have you forgotten literal years of EvE WiS proponents discussing all the possibilities about player-made clothing? Hell, the idea of player stores still comes up to this day it was such a wanted feature within avatar-player circles. The NeX and microtransactions highjacked half the potential features WiS could have had, stillbirthing the whole concept.

We human beings have selective memories, and any recollections of those events are going to be selective "it was feature x I hated that caused the summer of rage, feature y I liked just got caught in the crossfire". But that's a lie, it was all to blame as it all contributed to the hilarious pile of garbage we got served called Incarna. Greed is Good wouldn't have even been noticed if not for the prices of the Nex items, which wouldn't have caused a ripple if player-made clothing had been an existing alternative, which might have been possible had Walking in Station had any gameplay element what so ever. But it didn't, and that's where we ended up.

It was more about golden ammo than about pointless avatar gear actually

In your opinion is doesn't. In mine, a bunch of capsuleers meeting up in station drawing up battle plans with avatars and playing minigames within the station certainly does add to the immersion. Certainly more than the snazzy graphics which are usually turned down low and zoomed out too far to see, or the gripping music I've not heard since the day I unticked the "enable audio" box.

Justification for the development cost only requires projected income. Whether it's "must-have" or not, if people are willing to pay for it or if it will bring more people in, it's justified.

No it wasn't and no it didn't. WiS barely got off the ground before the usual crowd started exploding with rage. Amusingly though, that same crowd whined about microtrans and those got cancelled too. But look at the game now, MT all over the place and growing. Clearly times change friend.

Yes it was and yes it did. You even said so yourself in the same paragraph you tried to claim it didn't: "WiS barely got off the ground before the usual crowd started exploding with rage." It launched, and no one wanted it. I even posted links. Try keeping up, or keep failing, your choice. You're right, times change, and so too should EVE, but the very definition of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting different results. EVE needs to do things different from other MMOs, it needs to be unique. I don't mind new things, I just don't want the same things I can find elsewhere.

And neither do you. Bottom line is, no one wanted it in EVE, as per the links provided already. Again, you talk about EVE as if it's just like every other MMO, and even if you do know psychology, what you don't know is EVE, so anything you think you know is irrelevant anyway.

Of course it'd need an in-game advantage. Some way to make ISK I guess; some content.

I always imagined it as sort of 2 games in one universe.

Not all players need to take part in all forms of content. I don't perceive it as punishment that I don't mine as an example.

However, it's quite academic. I seriously doubt that WiS is coming alive except in necrothreads.

lol, what they release was not WiS. It was one room and no involvement with other players. One room it's important to add that many people used. There were even people customising their video screens in there. To claim that what they got out was enough to prove that WiS didn't work is disingenuous.

Clearly that's not the case, otherwise these thread would not exist and wouldn't get so long when they appear.

You are 100% correct, and mixing a tactical space shooter with a 3rd person RP heavy space station sim would be pretty different. At the moment it's just a bad attempt to mimic Elite, which with the release of the actual Elite sequel seems a bit silly. It's clear that the existing game elements are unlikely to become more immersive going forward and they already have half the tech needed for WiS in there, so I would have no issue with them pressing forward with it as long as development continued on the main mechanics too. Back when the originally looked at WiS that might have been a tough ask, but it's something they are more than capable of now they have they new development and release mechanism.

He also left out the part where it was frying graphics cards, overheating CPUs, crashing the client from memory leaks, and a bunch of other problems caused by some of the worst optimization ever seen in the industry.