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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#601 - 2015-03-19 20:14:01 UTC
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#602 - 2015-03-19 22:26:48 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
given the whopping libelous fibs you spread about the eve community, individual players and ccp, i assume you've been working on an apology

Its not libel if its substantially true and its for the benefit of the public rather than to harm the person or company being discussed. So no, no apology forthcoming.

you can post your apology in your mmorpg thread anytime you're ready. the one titled 'don't play eve', posted right ater you ragequit, with the fibs about ccp and eve online players in it

a reasonable person would also amend the op to issue corrections

Everything I wrote in that post was correct in my mind. So, no definitely no apology forthcoming. CCP doesn't just have a responsibility, they have an obligation to deal with the harassment that I experienced.

They also have an obligation to allow players to vent their frustrations here on the forums - because we pay a fee to access these forums, they're not free to post or public. Had they allowed that to happen they wouldn't have players taking the only option available - creating posts on 3rd party sites.

So CCP likely owes me, and the other players who in good faith paid CCP fee's over the years and were then denied fair access to protection from harassment and posting privileges.


You're so full of it.

Yeah I'm bursting with so much truth I might be jesus.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#603 - 2015-03-20 01:19:02 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I have plenty of time. I don't hate CCP or EvE. On the contrary it's my love of this game that causes me to come back every once in a while in the hope they'll wise up and get rid of the toxic environment they have deliberately fostered.

If they clean the turds out of the sandbox it might become attractive once again ...

Well it happened, toxic players left the game.. but looks like one of them is back now... will you threaten us in RL with your dog again?

Evil RatKid
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#604 - 2015-03-20 01:24:10 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I have plenty of time. I don't hate CCP or EvE. On the contrary it's my love of this game that causes me to come back every once in a while in the hope they'll wise up and get rid of the toxic environment they have deliberately fostered.

If they clean the turds out of the sandbox it might become attractive once again ...

Well it happened, toxic players left the game.. but looks like one of them is back now... will you threaten us in RL with your dog again?


Soon to be followed by the sternly worded letter.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#605 - 2015-03-20 01:41:21 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I have plenty of time. I don't hate CCP or EvE. On the contrary it's my love of this game that causes me to come back every once in a while in the hope they'll wise up and get rid of the toxic environment they have deliberately fostered.

If they clean the turds out of the sandbox it might become attractive once again ...

Well it happened, toxic players left the game.. but looks like one of them is back now... will you threaten us in RL with your dog again?

Nah I had him put down as he was no longer of use to me. I left security and bought a gym.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#606 - 2015-03-20 01:56:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.
I think CCP might be leaning toward combining their games.
I really hope they are.
Proper Dust deployments and using those players to further things in EVE would add so much depth to the game.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#607 - 2015-03-20 16:16:10 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.
I think CCP might be leaning toward combining their games.
I really hope they are.
Proper Dust deployments and using those players to further things in EVE would add so much depth to the game.



But depth means nothing to the hordes of aspergian min-maxers with one eye on their killboards or wallets shouting "muh ISK" or "muh stats" every time some change is proposed.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#608 - 2015-03-20 16:24:09 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.
I think CCP might be leaning toward combining their games.
I really hope they are.
Proper Dust deployments and using those players to further things in EVE would add so much depth to the game.


This here, is what is commonly referred to as "setting yourself up for disappointment".

C'mon guys, we do this every year at Fanfest; usually we are let down by fully explained features that never show up, but stretching an overly optimistic interpretation of a completely innocent phrase, is just hurting yourself.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#609 - 2015-03-20 16:28:18 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.
I think CCP might be leaning toward combining their games.
I really hope they are.
Proper Dust deployments and using those players to further things in EVE would add so much depth to the game.


This here, is what is commonly referred to as "setting yourself up for disappointment".

C'mon guys, we do this every year at Fanfest; usually we are let down by fully explained features that never show up, but stretching an overly optimistic interpretation of a completely innocent phrase, is just hurting yourself.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/5682670/eve-united-ccp-fanfest

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#610 - 2015-03-20 16:55:27 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/5682670/eve-united-ccp-fanfest


Erm, ok, so why did you link that? At this point it's pretty clear that other than a DUST style link between EVE and Legion and a single launcher (and thus character), the 3 games look to remain seperated.

This can most clearly be seen with they way Legion is introducing 'fighters' that aren't available in EVE and that do things differently than can be done in EVE. These games will at best have the "Based in the EVE universe" tag.

Aralyn is right, you types really do set yourself up for disappointment. I live firmly in the "that might be nice, I'll believe it when I see it" camp and thus am overall less disappointed and frustrated with EVE than almost every WiS type i know.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#611 - 2015-03-20 17:57:50 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:

This here, is what is commonly referred to as "setting yourself up for disappointment".

C'mon guys, we do this every year at Fanfest; usually we are let down by fully explained features that never show up, but stretching an overly optimistic interpretation of a completely innocent phrase, is just hurting yourself.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/5682670/eve-united-ccp-fanfest


Given that article is a year old, I'd call that proving my point, not detracting from it Blink

You have to look at what CCP as a whole is doing, not what an isolated comment from a probably drunk developer, in the middle of a fanfest high says.

I mean, we have all evidence immediately on hand with the sov revamp on the table. Take a look at it, does even a single element of the sov revamp move nearer or further away from Dust/Legion and Valkyrie involvement? It's further. I don't know about you, but when people talked about Dust/Legion integration, I was visioning assault teams capturing planets and stations while the ships battled on the undock to cut off or reinforce the ground teams... 'freeport' modes and random nodes popping up in adjacent systems doesn't strike me as setting a stage for that. No, its a purely EvE spaceship mechanic; I doubt even a single developer said "is it worth making a system that we can substitute Dust/Legion battles for down the line". I bet it wasn't brought up, or even thought of long enough to be dismissed.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#612 - 2015-03-21 02:02:20 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:

This here, is what is commonly referred to as "setting yourself up for disappointment".

C'mon guys, we do this every year at Fanfest; usually we are let down by fully explained features that never show up, but stretching an overly optimistic interpretation of a completely innocent phrase, is just hurting yourself.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/6/5682670/eve-united-ccp-fanfest


Given that article is a year old, I'd call that proving my point, not detracting from it Blink

You have to look at what CCP as a whole is doing, not what an isolated comment from a probably drunk developer, in the middle of a fanfest high says.

I mean, we have all evidence immediately on hand with the sov revamp on the table. Take a look at it, does even a single element of the sov revamp move nearer or further away from Dust/Legion and Valkyrie involvement? It's further. I don't know about you, but when people talked about Dust/Legion integration, I was visioning assault teams capturing planets and stations while the ships battled on the undock to cut off or reinforce the ground teams... 'freeport' modes and random nodes popping up in adjacent systems doesn't strike me as setting a stage for that. No, its a purely EvE spaceship mechanic; I doubt even a single developer said "is it worth making a system that we can substitute Dust/Legion battles for down the line". I bet it wasn't brought up, or even thought of long enough to be dismissed.
They might be approaching this from a Dust dev team perspective.
Also, they might have it dedicated as 20% time (1/5 days a week) to one of the smaller teams.

The new way they are developing stuff, it can all be happening concurrently.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#613 - 2015-03-22 10:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I have plenty of time. I don't hate CCP or EvE. On the contrary it's my love of this game that causes me to come back every once in a while in the hope they'll wise up and get rid of the toxic environment they have deliberately fostered.
Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Your posting history, both here and on external sites, says otherwise.

Quote:
If they clean the turds out of the sandbox it might become attractive once again to people wanting to play rather than game the game.
When you lied about quitting, one of the biggest turds in the game flushed itself down the pan, like any persistent turd you've managed to finagle yourself back around the U-bend and now we're being haunted by a stinking, lying floater.

Quote:
When I criticise CCP it's because I saw what a great game they had prior too Ovuer leaving and I've watched as it and it's reputation was demolished by subsequent lead devs.
Bollocks, you criticised CCP because they wouldn't pander to your wants over the the needs of their business model.

Quote:
Everything I wrote in that post was correct in my mind. So, no definitely no apology forthcoming. CCP doesn't just have a responsibility, they have an obligation to deal with the harassment that I experienced.

They also have an obligation to allow players to vent their frustrations here on the forums - because we pay a fee to access these forums, they're not free to post or public.
The harassment you suffered only existed in your addled little mind, as such CCP had no obligation at all beyond possibly recommending that you seek help.

Partially correct, you have to be subbed to post, but the forums themselves are publicly accessible regardless of being subbed or not, albeit in read only form.

Quote:
Had they allowed that to happen they wouldn't have players taking the only option available - creating posts on 3rd party sites.

So CCP likely owes me, and the other players who in good faith paid CCP fee's over the years and were then denied fair access to protection from harassment and posting privileges.
CCP owe you nothing, your posting on third party sites was nothing more than sour grapes on your part.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#614 - 2015-03-22 11:14:57 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.


It's not been discounted because otherwise they should write it off their financial statements, as they did with WoD. So far WiS is "something we spent money on and we think it may give us money someday so it's not a loss -and prove us wrong if you dare", but as long as they stop using it and agree it's a wreck (say, by removing the CQs) it becomes "something we spent our money and lost it all so there go our yearly profits (again)".

Financially speaking, CCP won't derecognize the WiS assets for as long as they can avoid to.

For everything else, it's facts, not words, what speak the truth.

I'm still processing and waiting for additional Fanfest content (i.e. roundtables), but so far it looks as we are not an issue, in every sense. CCP can live without us and that's exactly what they are doing.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#615 - 2015-03-22 20:18:35 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I'm still processing and waiting for additional Fanfest content (i.e. roundtables), but so far it looks as we are not an issue, in every sense. CCP can live without us and that's exactly what they are doing.
Yup, other priorities. Sad

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#616 - 2015-03-22 21:50:50 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I'm still processing and waiting for additional Fanfest content (i.e. roundtables), but so far it looks as we are not an issue, in every sense. CCP can live without us and that's exactly what they are doing.
Yup, other priorities. Sad


I was looking for a word and eventually I've found it:

Expendable.

WiS was expendable. Avatars are expendable. We are expendable.

And so we are spent. Straight
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#617 - 2015-03-23 00:11:14 UTC
I guess we can finally bury and forget idea of WiS in EVE after mehfest where the "uber announce" - unsurprisingly - was structures redesign (which is still almost a year away).

Fortunately, new sci-fi game start in Thursday and avatars there have quality comparable to Incarna so for me waiting is almost over \o/

(no, you cant have my stuff yet but when I'll be sure - in couple months - then maybe)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#618 - 2015-03-23 00:36:06 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
In the keynote, an odd statement was made. Some artwork developed for Wis was shown, and the statement was "This has not found it's way into the game, yet."

Yet. Like, it has not been totally discounted inside all of CCP.


It's not been discounted because otherwise they should write it off their financial statements, as they did with WoD. So far WiS is "something we spent money on and we think it may give us money someday so it's not a loss -and prove us wrong if you dare", but as long as they stop using it and agree it's a wreck (say, by removing the CQs) it becomes "something we spent our money and lost it all so there go our yearly profits (again)".

Financially speaking, CCP won't derecognize the WiS assets for as long as they can avoid to.

For everything else, it's facts, not words, what speak the truth.

I'm still processing and waiting for additional Fanfest content (i.e. roundtables), but so far it looks as we are not an issue, in every sense. CCP can live without us and that's exactly what they are doing.


And yet, here you still are, looking at the rest of us like WE are crazy after YEARS of pointing out the exact same ting lol. CCP isn't doing walking in stations in the foreseeable future, and they aren't doing so not only because it's the right development course for EVE right now (since they are doing an EVE based game for people who want to walk, called Legion), but also because a lot of them are telling them (in some cases to their faces at fanfest) that concentrating on the core game is what they should always be doing.

How you can possibly be better about something someone has been telling you for years is just impossible to understand.

Tarpedo wrote:
I guess we can finally bury and forget idea of WiS in EVE after mehfest where the "uber announce" - unsurprisingly - was structures redesign (which is still almost a year away).

Fortunately, new sci-fi game start in Thursday and avatars there have quality comparable to Incarna so for me waiting is almost over \o/

(no, you cant have my stuff yet but when I'll be sure - in couple months - then maybe)


YEARS lol.

And I have no more fervent wish than to see WiS fans go play something they actually like rather than being delusional about EVE. If history is the judge though, it won't matter, the same people made the same claims about the Star Wars games (SWG and SWTOR) and Star Trek Online, and yet here they still are in EVE despite the fact that sci-fi MMOs with walking avatars already exist.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#619 - 2015-03-23 02:21:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
YEARS lol.
Roll

"Hi CCP.

Remember this feature?
Well, I am interested in it and look, some others are also. Maybe now that it has been years we can revisit it and get it right?
I even have a little bandaid mechanics that would takes us a big step forward, not to mention and idea to get us to work for you - for free to flesh this feature out.

Yours with hope,

Jen."

Jenn aSide: "Hurr hurr, it is not being taken seriously or developed! lol lol rolflmaololocopterzzz!!1!"

"We know.
Now run along and find another thread to spam with verbose inane tripe."

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#620 - 2015-03-23 03:34:25 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
YEARS lol.
Roll

"Hi CCP.

Remember this feature?
Well, I am interested in it and look, some others are also. Maybe now that it has been years we can revisit it and get it right?
I even have a little bandaid mechanics that would takes us a big step forward, not to mention and idea to get us to work for you - for free to flesh this feature out.

Yours with hope,

Jen."

Jenn aSide: "Hurr hurr, it is not being taken seriously or developed! lol lol rolflmaololocopterzzz!!1!"

"We know.
Now run along and find another thread to spam with verbose inane tripe."


And that's the problem with you people. How is objective reality "tripe"? did you read the posts I was applying to, they both expressed frustration and SURPRISE at the fact that at fanfest the company that said years ago and several times since that they were no plans for WiS...has no plans for WiS.

Your reply is the exact thing I was just saying, you act like I'M the one that's crazy when I'm not the one in denial about anything. I mean, that in and of itself bloody crazy, so bloody crazy that's it's enough to get me using the word Bloody as If I weren't one of them 'Colonials" lol.