Crime & Punishment

You're disappointed with the real life death threats you're recieveing? I had a CODE pilot fly through my highsec system before with the title, Tear Collector. Now that tells me you're expecting people to react violently when you gank them and from succesful ganks I've seen happen in my mining system, you actively poke fun at the person who dies.

Don't try and make the victims of your ganks look like bad people. You've just destroyed something they may have spent hours working for, in a few seconds. What do you expect is going to happen? Not everyone can shrug off something like that.

Hell you killing them may even mean they cannot buy the PLEX to continue playing for another month, driving subs away from the game and making our community smaller.

I can never take a bunch of self obessed bunch of violence inducing fools like CODE seriously.

Hell even after I provided a reasonable response to a thread CODE was taking part in you guys just started trolling and then wardecced my alliance with unrealistic demands
Awaiting your response.

Alastair.

I rarely write on forums, but as the creator of Anti-ganking and Gank-Intel, I should now apologize to the general public for allowing Gorila to be a moderator in these channels. There were clues about his true stance, but I ignored them.

It is now clear that Gorila shares one view with virtually all gankers - they don't mind having fun at the expense of someone else's fun. This is purely selfish and is exactly the opposite of what Anti-ganking is all about.


If someone makes RL threats, you should have cause to petition them. But you use it as an excuse to hit back instead. If you believe people spread hate in the channel, you should contact any mod about it like the MOTD says. Or, in your case, be a decent mod yourself. But you seem to prefer to talk about the hate instead of doing something about it. This makes you look quite similar to those you claim to talk about.


Do these good people include any of the moderators? Because we spent over a year building a block list of around a thousand troublemaking entities, which you wiped clean. Or maybe one of your newly appointed CODE mods did. There is no easy way to rebuild this list. You apologize, but I'm not really convinced you are sorry.



Now, let me elaborate on what Anti-ganking is all about, since there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding this. Anti-ganking as created by me, is about helping people keep their fun when gankers try to steal it. Anti-ganking is not about revenge or calling gankers bad things. Anti-ganking is about helping others, not take advantage of others. Anti-ganking is about treating others with respect, as opposed to the disrespectful nature of ganking.

Many people seem to be claiming that the channel is toxic and full of hate and stuff, and because the channel will stay public, these things simply can't be avoided entirely. As the huge block list would suggest, we do try to do something about disrespectful behaviour. However, if you don't want to contact mods and show us exactly what you think is toxic or hateful, you yourself end up looking like the very people you call toxic or hateful. I think the last mail I got about issues in the channel was back in august... That mail helped us remove a very disrespectful individual, he's still trying to make me pay. So mailing moderators actually works, unless your motives are selfish and you think you have the right to treat others disrespectfully. In that case, you might get banned instead.

It is possible we should lower the bar about the level of disrespectfulness that gets confronted in the channel, don't hesitate to share any thoughts about this. I'm very happy to listen to any constructive criticism, as I'm far from any expert. I have never managed a channel of this size before.

-Aste

Having your blocklist wiped is a favor. Nothing opsec was happening in the channel anyway and it banned people who may have joined your cause. The New Order doesn't ban people from our general discussion channel unless they start shitting it up and we have had no issue. In fact, we end up often converting people to our side. You're welcome.

I don't really know where to start. I've apparently missed my mark. The thing is, I rabidly disagree with Veers... I mean 'foaming at the mouth and eat your face off' rabidly. However, while his diatribes merit vehement opposition, bolstered with the pod goo of innocents, even at his most vapid and annoying moments he's still civil. Your opposition of CODE. has been nothing short of toxic over the last months and to be blunt, has inspired more distaste in me than what I felt when I was still mining and first encountered them.

It's not that you oppose them, I can understand that. It's how you comport yourself while doing so. Your posting has embodied every bit of nastiness that others accuse them of if not even more. Perhaps, like them, it's a cultivated thing designed to enrage your target audience. If this is the case you might wish to modify your approach, as it's not just them that you're offending. By being indiscriminate you are creating sympathy for them instead of alienating them and coming across as a complete ****.

You may not care that you offend me, that's fine. I mean, after all you are a 'dedicated forum main', who has nothing to fear in regards to repercussions within the game for your actions. I personally find this craven, as I've always been a 'put your assets where your mouth is' kind of guy. Just maybe try for a second to show an ounce of respect for those you consider your foes. They compel you to put forth this much effort, so you would think they deserve at least this much.

-Omar

Could have fooled me. I've known no less than a dozen of your members to send me death threats personally.

But hey, those other guys? They shoot people in a videogame, so they're just as bad.

No matter how much you try, you can't conjure up moral equivalency here. You willingly associate with, and provide a haven for people who routinely threaten other people's lives over actions in a videogame.

As far as I'm concerned, until your channel is shut down and all of you scattered to the four winds, all it will ever be is a refuge for slime who shouldn't be allowed to play this game in the first place.

Having your blocklist wiped is a favor. Nothing opsec was happening in the channel anyway and it banned people who may have joined your cause.

Seems like you could start rebuilding it by banning some of the more venomous talk that has gone on in the last 24h since the old one was wiped:

http://evelocal.com/talk/206616867
http://evelocal.com/talk/206610836
http://evelocal.com/talk/206635467

I usually avoid the forums like the plague that they are but I feel that some of the posts in this thread need an answer



I'm one of the mods in Anti-Ganking and Gank-Intel. If people from our channel have sent you death threats, send me their names along with what they said and I'll personally permaban them from both channels. We do NOT tolerate RL death threats, we do NOT willingly associate with the people responsible, and we do NOT 'provide a haven' for them. If toxic people are still in the channel, its because they havent exposed themselves as such in public, or no-one has reported them to channel mods. I can't emphasise enough that we hate this stuff as much as the next player, and we will ban them if we find out about it.

However, if people who you know are in AG are sending you death threats in private communications, you cant expect us to telepathically figure out that they've done it. So if you want something done about it, then tell us about it, and we'll ban them.

Also, you seem to assume that everyone in AG is the same, that we are all 'slime'. You cant stereotype a channel of 300+ people based on a minority. Most people in channel are, to be honest, either gank victims who want help, ganker alts spying on the channel, or random lurkers who've probably forgotten they're even in the channel. Saying that everyone in the channel is death-threat-sending scum just because of a hateful minority, is just as ignorant and invalid as any other stereotype.

Removed an off topic post. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

No idea if this perosn has ever been in AG, but I've banned them anyway.



Except that the ban list included people who were banned for being toxic...so these people that CODE. hate, who have gone too far in their attacks on gankers, who we've weeded out of the channel...you potentially let them back in.



Like Astecus said, Gorila was a channel mod, so if as he claims he felt there was too much toxicity, he had a chance to do something about it, and didn't. Well Gorila may have left, but the rest of us will continue to get rid of unpleasant people and keep striving to make the community better.

People who call for RL violence against other players over game play, do not have any place in the gaming community. They are bad and trying to turn it around and justify their behaviour, only places you in their camp.

Twisted moral high ground dwellers, should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Isnt this no different than walking across a beach, admiring the view, when some guy runs up and shoots you in the head? Surely that is an immoral, indecent thing to do, but yet this happens all the time in video games. It doesnt matter if you play Call of Duty for the graphics, if you join a multiplayer game, you will still be shot in the head by another player.

Is it a psychopathic, evil, immoral, indecent thing to shoot someone in the head, just because they are not on your team, in real life? Yes. Is it wrong to do it in a video game that is designed so that you are not only allowed to, but encouraged to do so? Of course not.

Video games are not real life. You dont go up to people and shoot them in real life. You dont grief and scam people in real life. And yet, this is all perfectly acceptable in video games, where the game is designed to accommodate this sort of behavior.

If you suck at a video game, or dont like an aspect, of course youre going to be miserable. The guy who always goes 0-30-0 in Dota 2 and loses his matches, will be miserable. Clearly this game isnt for him. If you cant handle a scam, if you cant handle a loss, if you cant handle a gank, this game is not for you. If you want to play a game where your ship will never be destroyed, your assets never taken away, Maybe Star Trek Online would be better suited for you.

The ban list is neither about opsec nor about preventing people from reading the channel, it never was. It's about preventing people from writing in it. How it looks like when the banlist doesn't exist was demonstrated impressively last night.

Btw: Astecus himself asked Chribba to include both channels on evelocal.com who in turn was so nice to add them. You're welcome.