Crime & Punishment

I had a fantastic conversation with him today on coms.

I look forward for this fruitful relationship and the good times that will be had.

In theory, the deck is stacked towards the miners and haulers. The game mechanics favor a competent miner over a competent ganker.

However, tons of miners and haulers act lazy, greedy or dumb, which is why we exist in the first place.

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Isnt this no different than walking across a beach, admiring the view, when some guy runs up and shoots you in the head? Surely that is an immoral, indecent thing to do, but yet this happens all the time in video games. It doesnt matter if you play Call of Duty for the graphics, if you join a multiplayer game, you will still be shot in the head by another player.

Is it a psychopathic, evil, immoral, indecent thing to shoot someone in the head, just because they are not on your team, in real life? Yes. Is it wrong to do it in a video game that is designed so that you are not only allowed to, but encouraged to do so? Of course not.

Video games are not real life. You dont go up to people and shoot them in real life. You dont grief and scam people in real life. And yet, this is all perfectly acceptable in video games, where the game is designed to accommodate this sort of behavior.

If you suck at a video game, or dont like an aspect, of course youre going to be miserable. The guy who always goes 0-30-0 in Dota 2 and loses his matches, will be miserable. Clearly this game isnt for him. If you cant handle a scam, if you cant handle a loss, if you cant handle a gank, this game is not for you. If you want to play a game where your ship will never be destroyed, your assets never taken away, Maybe Star Trek Online would be better suited for you.

I shoot industrials in lowsec/nullsec just the same. I dont know if they are full to the brim with 10 billion isk loot, or if they are empty, but i kill them nonetheless. I dont know if they are noobs, but i still kill them. Sometimes, i get rage mails and tears. But its still part of the game.


I think it takes a truly disturbed mind for someone to rage as loudly, as heavily, and as destructively as some people ive seen who lost matches in other video games. We have tons of "WoW Freakout" videos out there, where most of us would consider this a disturbed person who needs mental help.

But does a player who kills another player in Call of Duty, know how his opponent will react to the loss? Of course not. He may be normal, and just shrug it off. Or he may be insane and throw his keyboard at the monitor. But if he does react violently, is it the fault of the person who killed him, though? Of course not, even if he jeers or taunts or boasts about it afterwards.

People dont make us angry. We choose to be angry. We choose to lose control. Those who choose to get angry, simply have less control over their emotions. And thats no ones fault but their own. You can always choose to walk away, choose to ignore, or choose to type a huge angry rant full of death threats.



What if someone just want to green up their killboard? Get as many kills as they can? Get as many expensive kills as they can? Why should some targets be safe, where others are acceptable to gank? Pods are certainly the easiest target, and at the same time have the potential to provide the most expensive KMs. Why should they be exempt? Why should some ships be 100% safe to travel in?

Sounds like youre dictating how we should play the game.

Veers, making comparisons to rl is just ludicrous. This is a game...nothing more. If you allow people to determine your rl feelings and reactions over a game, perhaps you shouldn't be playing it. I don't direct that to you personally, but to anyone in general that gets "hurt" in a game consisting of pixels and code. You play a game to have fun, if you're not having fun...play something else instead of whining about how it's "not fair". Stop saying to "go to low or null" because people want to be pirates. They have every right to do it in high sec. Why don't you move to low or null....you don't because you don't want to...nor do many of the pirates you complain about. You have to realize Code is not your enemy, they are your opponent in a game.

For god's sake get off the whole bonus room thing already..it's over and done. Can't you see what the incessant ranting and rhetoric is doing? You lost your greatest asset and it will continue to happen until you and others realize that in the end, this is just a game. No one gets hurt, no one truly loses anything...and if they do get hurt from a game, perhaps games are not what they should be playing..especially Eve.

With that being said, I hope you have a merry Christmas...after all, we are only the villians in a game, not rl...to assume any different is just ridiculous.

Uh, how is this relevant to anything I just said?

La Rynx
You are truly inspiring, you know that? You're churlish and relentlessly hostile to levels I've rarely seen before. Even Veers, while wrong minded and stubbornly determined to stand his ground despite being wrong, is still civil more often than not when fighting his hopeless battles. You don't even bother with a pretense of that.

My own playstyle doesn't really touch on ganking, but I think you've inspired me to use the 20 days of second character training CCP gave us for Christmas to train up a catalyst pilot. You know, for reasons.

I don't, they do it themselves. Frequently in local.



In a PvP game. It is not only expected, but encouraged.




Then why are they playing a PvP game?




And you trying to deny people the right to PvP in a PvP game will lead to people quitting from boredom, making our community smaller.

Although only my assertion is in fact backed up with CCP's numbers about retention. The bottom line is that PvE centric playstyles are hurting the game.

I rarely write on forums, but as the creator of Anti-ganking and Gank-Intel, I should now apologize to the general public for allowing Gorila to be a moderator in these channels. There were clues about his true stance, but I ignored them.

It is now clear that Gorila shares one view with virtually all gankers - they don't mind having fun at the expense of someone else's fun. This is purely selfish and is exactly the opposite of what Anti-ganking is all about.


If someone makes RL threats, you should have cause to petition them. But you use it as an excuse to hit back instead. If you believe people spread hate in the channel, you should contact any mod about it like the MOTD says. Or, in your case, be a decent mod yourself. But you seem to prefer to talk about the hate instead of doing something about it. This makes you look quite similar to those you claim to talk about.


Do these good people include any of the moderators? Because we spent over a year building a block list of around a thousand troublemaking entities, which you wiped clean. Or maybe one of your newly appointed CODE mods did. There is no easy way to rebuild this list. You apologize, but I'm not really convinced you are sorry.



Now, let me elaborate on what Anti-ganking is all about, since there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding this. Anti-ganking as created by me, is about helping people keep their fun when gankers try to steal it. Anti-ganking is not about revenge or calling gankers bad things. Anti-ganking is about helping others, not take advantage of others. Anti-ganking is about treating others with respect, as opposed to the disrespectful nature of ganking.

Many people seem to be claiming that the channel is toxic and full of hate and stuff, and because the channel will stay public, these things simply can't be avoided entirely. As the huge block list would suggest, we do try to do something about disrespectful behaviour. However, if you don't want to contact mods and show us exactly what you think is toxic or hateful, you yourself end up looking like the very people you call toxic or hateful. I think the last mail I got about issues in the channel was back in august... That mail helped us remove a very disrespectful individual, he's still trying to make me pay. So mailing moderators actually works, unless your motives are selfish and you think you have the right to treat others disrespectfully. In that case, you might get banned instead.

It is possible we should lower the bar about the level of disrespectfulness that gets confronted in the channel, don't hesitate to share any thoughts about this. I'm very happy to listen to any constructive criticism, as I'm far from any expert. I have never managed a channel of this size before.

-Aste