Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you are that bothered about perfect intel then you will get a ship with a probe launcher cpu reduction such as a T3 with Emergent Locus Analyser; or you can get a dedicated combat scanner in your fleet, after all they are great to have for locating targets off grid, finding combat boosters, and also with the side benefit of giving the newer players an incredibly useful job which doesn't have too much of a hefty skill requirement.

The more I think about it the more I am not concerned about the dscan immunity, and it gives a great reason to use combat recons in fleets. Good to see CCP shaking the game up.

Come on you PvE and Industry folk!


You've been loving the Easy Button mentality of CCP since December of 2012.

Why you bitching when PvP pilots get an Easy Button that increases the chance of you dying by at least a magnitude.


The Easy Button giveth, the Easy Button taketh away....


Rise and Fozzie have been trying to eradicate the "Learning Curve" graph since the end 2012, and this is another 'design' decision... Their campaign was inevitably going to kick PvE in the balls too, deal with it.

Take the example given somewhere in this thread of a low sec camp with 2 Vexors and 2 Rooks. Before these changes, the gang considering fighting them never would because they know they can't deal with the Rooks. After, they won't see them and so they will probably engage. That's more fights because people are risk averse.

Probes dont work dude, who are you kidding. SERIOUSLY.
As soon as you probes, you cloak or warp and than do the same thing. By the time the probes are out and scanned to a 1au, the target is long gone, laughing at your dumb ass.
What if they have a scout for your prober scout.

Actually you can. You only need to be looking at the solar system map to move the probes. If you set them up around yourself in a defensive layout you can click scan while hacking and still see the results.

While I appreciate the gumption it takes to propose such a change, it is completely out of whack with everything else in the game, and I believe will be seriously overpowered, especially combined with the now tankier and more combat-capable combat recons.

Until now, the only non-dscannable threat was covert-ops ships. All of these (with some few exceptions like the Stratios) are mostly utility ships with poor combat ability. They are now being joined by combat recons, which were already dangerous enough before their combat ability buff. They can singlehandedly turn the tide of fights, which means that the best defense against them is forewarning and information -- a defense that is not available anymore.

I fear that this change will cause combat recons to enter the "Because of Falcon" role of ship that is used as an "ace up your sleeve" to remove any chance of losing a fight. At least the Falcon doesn't contribute damage itself, and cannot tank very well. These new combat recons can do both of those. That ability will not be used for good fights.

Being unscannable is a ship ability that is too powerful to be a passive "role bonus". If anything, it should be a cloak-like module that requires a serious trade-off to fit, which can serve as a counter-balance for the extra tactical ability it grants a ship -- in the same way that fitting a cloak gimps a fit. Giving it as a raw role bonus to ships that have extremely powerful ewar, and now good tank and damage, is just too much.

The changes to Force Recons are good, though. I like them.