Player Features and Ideas Discussion

apparently that counts as a fight, and apparently more fights is always better.
also apparently it's forcing you to be less risk-averse because you're more at risk of getting blobbed by cloakers whenever you do anything (ignoring the fact that it's allowing risk-averse cloak scum to be more successful in pvp). no, I don't understand it either.

D SCAN IMMUNITY

Since you seem set on d scan immunity, lets at least add a fun and more interesting way to get intel other than d scan.

Core scout probes.
Basically combat probes that fit inside core launchers, doesn't allow you to get a warp but lets you see what is hiding out there.

Depending on balance it would make a fun addition, large range scout probes could be used to check far out gates quickly, and gather fundamental intel. Also being used in a team with combat probes would let you get very percise locations on enemy ships with out nessisarily giving away you are looking for them.

Some kind of lower level counter is needed if this change is to go forward.



ROOK

Also give the rook another low and more pwg. And some more armor, just accept the fact that its ecm so you will need to armor tank it. Lore wise we can just say that the state has accepted the fact that capsullers want there ecm ships to actually survive.

Slot layout: 4H(-1), 7M, 4L(+1); 2 turrets, 4 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 700 PWG (+100), 600 CPU

I still think the ship would be more interesting and better served with a 20% strength and a 10% range bonus to ECM

Please give the Huginn its launchers back. The missile based fit was one of the things I enjoyed about the ship. AC can't project far enough to compliment the webs and arty fits have significant fitting challenges.

Personally I would prioritise the range over the strength. That being said I would prefer;

• Range based off cruiser skill
• Strength based off recon skill

Or something similar

So CCP will release this abomination with Proteus and then largely ignore the 10 GD whining threads per day for the next two months. Maybe CCP Falcon will leave a clever comment about how EvE is supposed to be hard yada yada when in fact d-scan immunity on recons does nothing but simplify ganks.

Eventually, d-scan immunity will be retracted and a feature that might have lead to actually interesting gameplay if implemented differently forever be borked (see walking in stations and Incarna).

Nice job

To my former Bro's in Gal Mil: Get all your peeps training for combat recons.

To CCP & the CSM: Shaking up the game is good, but what are you looking to do with this change besides nerf solo/small gang risk takers?

Oh well, time to change my skill queue I guess and get ready to stop running DED sites (cuz screw spamming probes while trying to run a 5/10 or higher with people moving through local).

The environment is changing, and that's good. EVE players are some of the sharpest gamers out there. Adapt. Use your smarts to figure out how to deal with this new D-Scan immunity mechanic instead of clogging up the forums with your useless vitriol.

If it doesn't work, try something else, or find another avenue for fun and/or ISK, temporarily or for good. At least have the decency to make an informed community decision by actually trying the feature before you complain.

Look what happened with Industry Teams - they were implemented, we had a go at EVE with them, they didn't work; they're getting removed for now. Sure, you might not like the sound of D-Scan immunity for Recons, but for goodness sake; be constructive and patient and have a go so you can make an informed decision instead of acting like petulant children.

Fix your attitude.

I like how the scenario has you barge into a medium plex when there are 4 in local and you see no one on dscan. That MIGHT be a clue to assume the worst. Warp to the plex @ 100km and scout for anything on gate. If clear, warp around the system, checking for ANYBODY on scan. Use a random celestial for positioning. Dont warp straight from the gate to the plex.

Cant find anybody? That means one of 3 things:

-They are docked
-They are cloaked
-They are in recons

So now you decide its best to barge into a questionable plex? Think you need to re-evaluate your tactics.

If ONLY there was a tool available to look up pilots and their kills/losses to see what they regularly fly. Solo tools are available, learn to use them.

MMJD are a thing for large plexes. Rook at 100km? MMJD on him and nuke em. Or relatively cheap MG sensor strength implants to counter ecm.

If all else fails, and youre still suspicious of 4 rooks in a medium plex, go to another system or bring more people.

Seriously..i could keep going on ways to avoid this scenario. Use your brain and adapt, or quit, which means... your stuff, can i have it?

Tangent so main body posted to another thread, but since relevant:

TL;DR: Have a scan strength and a stealth rating, and allow them to interact to tell you what you can d-scan, from how far away, and with what level of information returned. Thus allows both the Force Recon Proteus change and for players to develop tactics and counters.

Is not about adapting because there is nothing to adapt to, Im not trying to run away from this people I need to know exact intel in order to decided if i can engage them or not.

What i do in this scenarios
-They are docked- I move on
-They are cloaked- I know they have at least a decloaking delay
-They are recons - ? there is nothing i can do

I can look at each people that is in local and check their killboards but do i really want to waist all this time looking at people killboards at EVERY SYSTEM? not really it will make engagement happens much more slowly or not happen at all?


Sure i can also dock up at everything station and take note of who is dock and not, but is not realistic for a ls pvp environment where is suppose to be fast pace.

In other words it will make recons a Win button in eve force people to fly them because of that and the people that fly in really small gangs lets say 3-5 it will just force to jump into fights where they are heavily outnumber and had no other option of taking a fight and welp or just run away