Player Features and Ideas Discussion

After the change they will ...no?

their resist profile sucks.

If they keep this feature then I hope they make "insta-targeting" combat recons nonviable by changing their scan resolution.

Whoops, my Thorax just got nueted out again by that damn Curse. Should have never warped into that "undefended" medium plex alone with another person in local. My bad. Time to start blobbing everywhere. Goodbye "solo".

You seem too be mad.
Just because you can't field the same stuff as the other gang it doesn't mean the game it's broken.

By the way, you can't see that Arazu on dscan either and it will make your life more miserable than a Falcon pilot because he won't miss jam cycles.
His point and his damps will hit and make you suffer 100% of the time compared with ECM which might not work at all because the RNG says no and all the jams will fail.

Try flying those ships and you will see how many times you have to warp off field because the Keres and Arazu will damp you before you can even lock them not to mention getting a cycle on them.

actually it's more people getting trashed by risk-averse ecm users. basically this d-scan immunity thing is almost as bad as covops cloaks, and covops cloaks are really horrible **** that should've been changed years ago.

Chances are that FW plexs will get a change so that Combat Recons can't enter those sites to satisfy all these crying, whining, bitching and moaning so called Militias. Damn you babies cry a lot.

I hope for all your crying that a curse awaits you in every plex to eat you alive. One of those will be me. \m/ ( >< ) \m/

It's so they can say they "consulted" the player base before they made the change.

Which is exactly what they have done, they consulted the player base, granted he's then gone on to ignore the views of the eve players, their paying customers, but what the hell our opinion's clearly unimportant, after all, we only have to play the game once they've made the PVP experience into an even worse abortion than it already is.

As a guesstimate, I'd say 75-80-% of the people posting in here dislike the d-scan change, but like I said why should the majority view of the players of the game matter to it's developers? They've already made the decision to foist a change we don't want on us, they're not consulting with us they're simply informing us of their decision, and we can either like it or lump it.

Sure, that's the case in the short term. In the long term, if this gets abused as much as everyone seems to think it will get abused, "engageable"-looking fights will be less likely to be engaged. Why?

Suppose my friends and I fly in a group of 3-4 Thoraxes. We run into 2 Vexors, and die to them because they were accompanied by 2 Rooks. The next day, with new Thoraxes, we run into 2 Ruptures, and die because we can't fire our guns since there's 2 Curses there. The day after that, we die to 2 Stabbers because a Lachesis and Huginn are scramming/webbing us from 30 km and we can't close range. The final outcome? One of the following:

1. We stop roaming entirely.
2. We get our own recons. Remember how fun (hint: not at all) this solution turned out for off-grid boosts, Falcon alts, and supercaps?
3. We stop engaging anything when there are unaccounted-for neutrals in local, or stop fighting anything that isn't a single T1 frigate in our cruisers.

Ed: I should acknowledge combat probing, but it is not great counter-play for dscan-immunity. It is hard to fit, completely compromises the fit of the ship involved (or requires a dedicated ship), and adds little value to the other operations of the gang. If you were to reduce the fitting costs of Expanded Probe Launchers so they could be reasonably fit in a utility high slot of a ship, that might be OK balance as far as the new recons are involved. It would completely break other balance, though, so we're at an impasse.

It could be that I and the others on the forum are wrong, recons won't be abused in this way, and won't lead to a chilling of the PvP atmosphere by fear-of-recon. I cannot predict the actions of others. I can however predict my own actions, and as someone with Recon V trained, I will abuse this mechanic silly, and keep going until I stop getting easy-mode kills. I may even switch the training on one my alts to do the same thing.

So, as someone who would abuse this in order to make PvP unfun, I ask you: please do not let me make PvP unfun. Because I will. And I'm sure so will almost everyone else.

Not a bad idea actually

EDIT : Read too fast! Thought she meant immune to combat scanner probe... Then no, it is a bad idea then

If the scanner overlay was added to remove the necessity for fleets to continually spam probes to look for new wormholes spawning, is it not against that philosophy to add a ship class that requires fleets to continually spam probes to look for that ship class?

Finally, finally Recons... but again and again illogical bonuses.

All the balancing etc. in terms of bonus twist and capacitor changes are welcomed and will be tested in game (not that pilgrim will be still played anyway). However, under what game mechanics do you introduce the role "Cannot be detected by directional scanners" ? Where does this bonus relies on as per the general "rules" that the game is based?

In many of the later patches you introduce a SPECIAL bonus that is not in line with all the rest of the general mechanics and there is always a SPECIAL ship that brakes the rules (bubble immunity ceptors, micro jump drives which apart from the ridiculous 100km warp they are immune to warp disruptors, ships that have old school nosferatus which drains cap continiously and now... ships that they are immune to scanner! without a cloaking device..).

And all these ridiculous bonuses, just because you cannot balance ships properly and you have invent every time something new to make it stand out from the crowd.

Is it only us, the players, realizing that this makes the game UNbalanced and leaning towards a WoW in space?