Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I find your lack of knowledge disturbing. It's Wormhole 101 that you'll show up on dscan for at least 4-5 seconds even if you immediately re-cloak.

Yeah. It's too bad the devs don't have a huge resource of experience and knowledge of the game they could draw upon to help them make better choices when modifying such a profoundly complex system. Something like hundreds of players with thousands of combined hours of playtime who would be willing to put forth their thoughts on how to make the game better based on experience and passion for the game.

they shoulda nerf logi 2 years ago. infact they shouldnt have even come out with logi. this isnt WOW. its a space game. and logi in a fight dont make sense at ******* all

I want to give you a hug.

Its not sarcastic to think that devs could build on the experience of every player in the game. I tried to pursue this line of questioning at FanFest last year, trying to get Rise and Fozzie to explain what tools they use to categorize different play styles, and identify how different fits make ships more/less relevant for these different styles.

They do claim to look at KB statistics gathered with in-house tools, but they never publish statistics or metrics in their dev blogs to motivate the changes they make in ship balance. If this lack of visual information was present for PLEX prices, the economy, industry or sov, they would have a great deal of difficulty justifying intervention in those aspects of the game.

Perhaps we can advocate for more transparency in this area?


S. Santorine

This has got to be one of the dumbest ideas in history, of all time.


Its stupidity far exceeds that which was previously established by decisions unsupported by facts, data, or common sense.


" D-scan immunity" The most Blasphemous words ever spoken in an MMO.

While being forced to bring a prober may be more of an inconvenience for roaming fleets of lets say 20-50+, it gimps small gang pvp, and renders solo activities utterly useless without the use of alt. Seeing how probe scanning takes significantly longer than d-scanning and both are manual, and the need to scan every time someone enters system, why freaking bother. Its seems like an "I Win" button in far too many scenarios. At least with cloakies, theres a targeting delay, plus they cant enter a system, warp to a beacon, and button in without so much as being detected.

Fail.

Not sure about the dscan thing tbh. I'll enjoy it, but isn't that just what a cloak is for?

As of two day ago the Recon changes are on SiSi for review.

My first impressions so far are mixed and give me the headache. What most of them in common is that force recons are inferior versions of the combat recons / electronic attack cruisers (which is a far better name for them).

Curse

This one is cursed.. Though the increased drain and neut range is nice and the drone damage is not to ignore here.

Pilgrim

Lesser Curse with a covert ops cloak.

Why both of them even have a tracking disruption bonus escapes me but both of them are nice shield tankers, as always with the Amarr line of ships.

Lachesis

This one is an amazing railgun boat at very long ranges.

Arazu

Inferior Lachesis with covert ops cloak.

Both Gallente recons do just fine as always with shield tanks.

Rook

The worst of the recons with a weapon system that still hurts my feelings but no ship in New Eden. If you are lucky sometimes you can jam someone.
The ancillery missile launcher range bonus was forgotten to put on - who might that have been??

Falcon

Yeah Falcon oh Falcon, why wasn't you changed?

As long time running gag in Island, both Caldari recons didn't change at all. I am almost surprised..

All recons still have terrible capacitors, mobility but as racial flavor they all have some shield tanks. Maybe the Curse should move one low back to the meds again, so that the common shield Amarr doesn't look so weird in the line of Amarr ships.

Agreed on the EAC point. Several of us discussed the point in this thread.

I don't know that you need to split the skill books. I think the CovOPs frigs are an excellent example for this class of cruisers to have followed. The frigs give you a stealthy surveillance and exploration platform in one boat and the bomber in an other under the same skill branch...two massively different boats that were split in function quite well.

I seriously wished they had considered doing the same for the Recon ships. The d-scan piece I can take or leave, either way I'm fine. I tend to fly in small to medium gangs mostly and I was far more interested in the Electronic Attack aspect of the ships...my beef is that the T2 options are simply less desirable in many cases (cost vs difference in performance) than the T1 options.

I'm still not sure why I would fly a Rook in a gang instead of a Blackbird or Falcon. Maybe I don't see it but I'm struggling a bit with that.

I have no complaints with the rapier. I use it now and it seems to only get better. The Huginn on the other hand goes from worse than the rapier to much worse than the rapier for anything other than c5 escalation fleets. I played with it in and cant find a fit for the new one which seems useful, I kept end up with dual reactor cores or dual t2 ancil current routers and still showed really bad dps. What is the reason for adding a low if the weapon change gobbles both it and another one? It is a weak ship which is getting weaker. @ Rise, is there a fit or use case which I am missing that makes the new Huginn useful?

The D-SCAN immunity just doesn't make sense to me. The thing is, that when using a cloaking mod, you have to pretty much make the whole fit around it and it kind of makes the ship pretty specific, when it comes to what it actually can do. Not that they might not have a specific use when this rebalance will be released as it is, but it just doesn't suit the game IMHO. It looks to me like these ships might be used a lot more to set up traps and just wait for somebody to get caught, which is not my kind of play style. There are more interesting things, that could be done with these ships, that might result into more fun gameplay. Just my opinion though