Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Right because you couldn't already be doing this with T3's, Force Recons, Stratios.

I honestly don't understand how people think this change is significant at all, let alone game breaking. Its a gimmick cloak that functions really no different than a cov ops cloak.

It isn't unique, its not special, and it is entirely redundant addition to the game. AKA a Gimmick.

Has anyone considered giving force recons a "no targeting delay after decloak" instead of d-scan immunity? Combat recons don't have a cloak so it may make sense to only let them have the new d-scan immunity.

is there anyone else who thinks making the lach all hybrid with a tracking and optimal bonus is stupid? please keep or increase the rof bonus to hams and heavies increase the hybrid dmg bonus and then give it th ability to fit all missiles or all turrets.

the lachesis is not there for dmg projection while in a gang. this change is not well thought out. all it does is gimp scram lach's in solo or small gang situations and severely hinder its versatility.

Yes, currently Lach gets about 30k more EHP than Arazu, Are you ******** son, hue hue hue?

After change Lach is still faster, has better layout, more tank, more scan res and lock range, harder to jam and on top of it does way more damage, which means that it's still a better choice for fleet combat than Arazu, which has only cyno time and fuel reduction as selling points in fleet context.

The Roden missiles brain-bug has been stupid since the day it appeared. It's only taken like 5 years to get it squashed - now (as per my ancient 'Gallente Mk II' thread) at least there is some sense restored to the Gallente line:

Duvolle - Blasters
Roden - Railguns
Creodron - Drones

You show up on scan long after you have clicked cloak on your client and disappear from grid. Your cloaky Proteus can be already in warp after cloaking, and still visible on dscan.

That has not been my experience. There will be inherent delays due to long distance communication with the server, and the 1 second server ticks will propagate that a bit. But I've never seen a case where somebody cloaked and still showed on scan for any length of time, even for 1 second.

lmbo you people are still talking about this

Before the change it is possible to fit the Huginn with weapons that project sufficient to match the webs without resorting to fitting modules. The proposed will have to use the new low for a reactor if arty is desired. A bit more powergrid to facilitate fitting artillery or a strong falloff bonus for autocannons or switching the ship back to launchers would make the vessel more attractive. As it stands it seems rather less interesting than the current version which rarely gets used as another ship always seems like a much better choice.

Designing ships in EVE is a very hard thing to do, you have to think about solo use, small gang use, fleet use (same ship my have totally different fits/uses in these contexts and if possible should be useful in all of them to make for a richer game), further factor in how does this specific ship compare with it's same tiered peers (size wise among cruisers, isk wise bang for the buck versus T1, other T2, T3, Faction) and finally try to introduce new and interesting game play mechanics to make it fun / EVE a better game.

I can understand the d scan immunity feature is an attempt to introduce some variety through a new unique mechanic however I still feel it doesn't really accomplish that (not a game changer or a big deal at the end of the day), it favors IMO regressive game play mechanics (ganking vs. roaming) and it further introduces unnecessary complexity in a system badly in need of a redesign, if you think about new player experience we now have to teach NP about d scan, then about cloaky ships and now also about d scan immune ships - they probably just want to find people to shoot and have good fights, this added complexity doesn't help in any way or bring value in terms of providing richer gameplay opportunities (IMO).

I do agree the local / d scan intel system should be addressed by devs, either through ship design changes or a complete overhaul, this system should be a simple and easy tool aimed at helping players find what they want (engagements, structures, sites) and not a barrier between what they want to do and their goals which is currently what happens with this medieval sonar like interface we have. I know everyone likes to think they are d scan wizards however if you think about it honestly it's quite simple and repetitive and not exactly a triple A game play experience.

Perhaps we can just replace the d scan with an elite like radar visual system, no more click click click rotate camera around click click click warp click click click, just a self refreshing visual radar thingy where you can see whats around you within 14 AU and right click objects on the radar to get a warp to menu like we have on the overview, if we treat groups of close ships as blobs we can also help differentiate solo/small gang/fleets and reduce load. I don't know if this is technically viable or if it will introduce lag / server overhead but any change that simplifies engagement generating mechanics and allows players to get to what they want - engagements - is a good thing since it will promote better game play in the end, both while finding fights and generating more fights as that's what matters, not all these pseudo complex pre engagement gameplay mechanics we have that in the end just just foster risk aversion.

E: if this radar thingy creates too much lag just remove d scan altogether from all ships and make it so only some ships have it (or as a module), haven't thought about this much but we could have blind ships that roam in the dark, d scan radar ships and combat probing ships.