Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The players applauding D-scan immunity are almost invariably gankbears and noobs (and their alts) who don't know how the game mechanics actually work.

I too would like to hear about these med-farming T1 frigs.

Quick question just to ensure I am right.

Hypothetically if I am operating in hostile territory without docking rights, it will be possible for me to eject from my combat recon in order to change ships and the recon will still not appear on d-scan because the immunity is a property of the ship, not a property of the piloted ship?

Of course, the ship will still be scannable with combats (or within a scan inhibited area that will be scannable), but I can deal with that. Just want to be certain of the mechanics so I can plan to be able to use a couple of ships when I don't have any other support close at hand.

If it is constantly hopping around system wont it also be difficult to DSCAN it

I really think this is a serious misconception on yours and a lot of other peoples' part. The dscan immunity won't magically change how people like myself in FW play mainly due to the fact that we either travel in groups or the stuff we fly solo is either very cheap or very mobile. Cowering in fear over combat recons is laughably stupid since you can either get friends or fight in one of the smaller complexes.
It literally changes nothing for how we do things, other than getting a surprise fight or two. At most it makes cruiser fights in complexes a little more interesting, since while we have to watch out for them bringing combat recons to the fight, the same deal wtih with arazus and falcons currently exists anyway, so it's a non-issue. I predict a lot more Curses being used for the cruiser fleets, I think.

I read most of post concerning Pilgrim changes.

There are people who think that range is great and neut amount can be neglected. And there are those who think amount can not be neglected.

As we all know Pilgrim has always suffered from range restrictions. Yes, you can choose what or when to engage , but if you are engaging more than 1 target ( happens a lot in solo pvp! ) and one of them can kite, after you kill what you can, you will be a sitting duck. Your drones would NOT be able to catch 4.5-5 km/s speeding Raptor or any other inty and you would just sit there and might as well eject.

So I think to make it more balanced and viable, I would really love to see pilgrim maintaining it's Neut Amount Bonus, because that is what it made it so awesome to fly even against cap-boosted ships, as you could still neut them out, BUT adding SOME range. Why not give it Dragoon like or smaller ( Dragoon has 20%) neut range bonus?

With 10% Neut and Vampire range, Pilgrim Medium Neutralizers would have 19km range with RECON 5. That is 61% more neut range. It still keeps Pilgrim inside "brawling" field, but now it can actually neut targets before they get on top of you,or after lighting a Cyno it can be used ot neut target which are , well at 19km from you.

And in all honesty, If you take dragoon as basic ship for that line, I see two possible lines:

Both lines focus on TD Bonuses, as well as Arbitrator, which makes perfect sense.
But then, mixing two ship bonuses to match one another is a bad way in order to make them special and unique.

The way I see specalized Amarr Recon ships :

Pilgrim - CLOAK+Strong Neut amount(40% bonus )+Small range(10-15% bonus)+SLOW+ARMOR
Cruse - NO CLOAK + SMALLER NEUT AMOUNT(10-15% bonus )+ HIGH RANGE(40% bonus)+ FAST+ SHIELD

I think that is what CCP should be aiming for in specializing ships.

Other than that, Might as well change nothing, Neut range was the only difficulty with the Pilgrim. Just a SLIGHT change to it might do wonders. When I saw that CCP Hammer going down on Pilgrim neut amount it almost made my cry. No no no, dont fix it if it ain't broken.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think about it the other way, recon ships became best ship for ratting and exploring, especially the Rook

Actively avoiding is one thing, but a good combatprober will get you within one cycle so about 6 secs scantime + 2-4 warptime of the probes. Without d-scan you will most likely need 3 or more cycles, around a 30 second window, way too long to catch anyone not multiboxing 3+ accounts.

Get two buddies with you so the number of ships on dscan equals amount of people in local.

Sorry. Isn't that what I said. I thought I had made it clear enough without actually stating that.

Giggle, you're trying to take the D-scan immunity gank buff and use it for pvp.... and OMG it's not working.

You're trying to do it right, but sadly thanks to CCP 'you're doing it wrong'

Just work on ganking - actual PVP is so 2009.