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FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#421 - 2014-12-07 05:55:41 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
If it's up to me, I'd rather keep you in the dark. So no I won't spoon feed you info about brain in a box.


Brain slugs?
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#422 - 2014-12-07 05:56:36 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914

forgot all about this song. great song!!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#423 - 2014-12-07 05:59:51 UTC
Hold on. This post of yours was one of my favorite this year.

FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

The last time I saw a post that great was... sec, lemme find it thru google.

Help, I can't download EVE

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PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#424 - 2014-12-07 06:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssabat Thraxx
Rain6637 wrote:


the people complaining about solo fights, and the sanctity of one account per player? one account per.


MM, not necessarily. I have several accounts (no booster,) and I see the risk v reward argument as making some sense. That said,

Quote:

Normally when something is beneficial, you exploit it. In the case of links, I see an impossible crusade. Disallowing boosting within POS forcefields was one thing, but [apparently] moving boosters on grid (and requiring a grid check) is outside the realm of possibility. Watch list is an upper limit to grid checks, and that's just 15 ships... a link/grid fix is really far off. Right now the smart thing is use the good thing.


That's some pretty Eve-like logic, and I have to say I like it. Get it while the gettin's good. Exploit any advantage you can, when you can. YARR! Pirate

FWIW, I do prefer solo PVP when I can get it. Lets me go at my own pace, keep my own crazy hours, go make a sammich when I want, play with my cat for a few minutes when I want, and not have to listen to directions or (worse) have to give them and get annoyed at That One Guy that's always behind or not listening, etc.

I also don't go looking for solo PVP in FW space.

EDIT: BTW, OP, I cant believe I hadn't thought to suggest this to you, but train up for cloakies; bombers wont do you a lot of good solo, but once you get into recons you can, within their limitations, go about picking and choosing your battles. You still wont KNOW if there's an OGB or not, but you'll have a better chance of trying to asses the situation before deciding to engage. You can also go for the Astero (with which I have no experience) or the Stratios, which I rather like.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#425 - 2014-12-07 06:07:34 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:


the people complaining about solo fights, and the sanctity of one account per player? one account per.


MM, not necessarily. I have several accounts (no booster,) and I see the risk v reward argument as making some sense. That said,

Quote:

Normally when something is beneficial, you exploit it. In the case of links, I see an impossible crusade. Disallowing boosting within POS forcefields was one thing, but [apparently] moving boosters on grid (and requiring a grid check) is outside the realm of possibility. Watch list is an upper limit to grid checks, and that's just 15 ships... a link/grid fix is really far off. Right now the smart thing is use the good thing.


That's some pretty Eve-like logic, and I have to say I like it. Get it while the gettin's good. Exploit any advantage you can, when you can. YARR! Pirate

FWIW, I do prefer solo PVP when I can get it. Lets me go at my own pace, keep my own crazy hours, go make a sammich when I want, play with my cat for a few minutes when I want, and not have to listen to directions or (worse) have to give them and get annoyed at That One Guy that's always behind or not listening, etc.

I also don't go looking for solo PVP in FW space.




were do u look for solo pvp? just wondering?
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#426 - 2014-12-07 06:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: FaDe-iN
Rain6637 wrote:
Hold on. This post of yours was one of my favorite this year.

FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

The last time I saw a post that great was... sec, lemme find it thru google.


Reply seriously, I have not seen a single constructive reply for the existence of the current booster mechanic. Other then some random "I heard the Matrix will shatter" bs. Sorry but a turd is a turd no matter how u sniff it.

SSabot-Recons are a ton of fun, but in low, even picking your fights. FW will limit your engagement's, and trying to fight the griefers you will always be out numbered. And fighting the few 1-2 pirates that exist in the game still. Recons will get stepped all over from them. Recons have a very nice home in a small number of 0.0 alliences, or if they are still around Talk to Templeman, you will have fun there.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#427 - 2014-12-07 06:17:11 UTC
I'm trying to be honest with you. I disclosed that I have two booster characters with 100 mil and 50 mil SP, and I've got two more characters finishing up 50 mil SP in supports who will become my next two boosters. These are legitimate, full characters. Maybe I've just responded to the state of things differently.

PS I can't seem to find that post, I was sure it was in the wormhole NPC kills API endpoint thread.

Help, I can't download EVE

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#428 - 2014-12-07 06:21:02 UTC
FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

Find the relevant section in the CSM summer minutes. CCP wants to put them on grid but this requires a rewrite of the dogma engine.

You are very rude. But then again you are also ignorant so why am I surprised?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#429 - 2014-12-07 06:23:51 UTC
He reminds me of Nevil Oscillator, but Nevil is better in the attitude department somehow.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#430 - 2014-12-07 06:27:14 UTC
Quote:
were do u look for solo pvp? just wondering?



Well I live in a very nice area that has a good mix of hisec and lowsec as well as both Sov and NPC null nearby, although generally I dont bother with null, tho I'm almost done training up my cloaky loki to go park at nullsec relic sites semi-afk and just blap ppl, lol.

Generally lowsec systems next to and/or in between hisec systems can be good, or just a region that has a nice mix all over the map of hi/low.

What I and my CEO have done a few times over the last yr or so is fire up the Dotlan Eve maps, randomly pick a region, and see if the geography looks promising (such as having the layouts of hi and lo as I just mentioned above.) Then start looking at individual systems, # of jumps per day, # of kills per day, etc.

The "sweet spot" generally has a relatively high(er) # of jumps per day, and not a whole whole lot of kills (meaning a higher possibility of gangs.) TBH it can be pretty hit or miss, but eventually you can luck into a good spot by using the map and statistics. You can also find spots where smaller corps have set up and see how their most and least active times are laid out. Sometimes a corp will for the most part flat out OWN a system, except for the 1 or 2 poor schleps that are on at a different time from everybody else, lol.

That said, I recently went out looking for a fight every night for a week solid and got nothing. This bearing in mind that I consider my area to be GOOD, lol. It can be pretty feast or famine sometimes.

One decent area that actually is FW is in the area in and around the Halmah pocket in Devoid region. I lived there a long time ago, and at least back then it was pretty sparcely populated for an FW area. There are a couple of other regions right nearby, and I'm talking about the whole area, not JUST sticking in Devoid, just that general neighborhood. It's also close to higher-activity systems like Kamela and I forget what else. May be worth checking out for ya, but like I said it's been a long time since I was there. Fire up ole Dotlan and see what it looks like.

CCP: I see that "schlep" is not going to be filtered out, yet s c h m u c k is filtered out? Inquiring minds want to know why Shocked

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#431 - 2014-12-07 06:29:00 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm trying to be honest with you. I disclosed that I have two booster characters with 100 mil and 50 mil SP, and I've got two more characters finishing up 50 mil SP in supports who will become my next two boosters. These are legitimate, full characters. Maybe I've just responded to the state of things differently.

PS I can't seem to find that post, I was sure it was in the wormhole NPC kills API endpoint thread.


You could have a 1 mill sp char for all I care, but if u have truly used a alt for any given amount of time as a booster in lowsec, or highsec, you would know it is a joke. not comparable to using a alt as dps or logi-cept for isbox(but that is a convo left to the true crappy players of EVE). There is no risk.

I may come of as abrasive, that is not my intent. I know were you are coming from. And tbh I would be onboard but not happy with just allowing boosters in 0.0, as a simple fix. There is no need for large fleet like the one's you all put together to suffer because of the abuse's of machanics that take place in smaller scale warfare. like fw and highsec wd'ing, to suffer.

But, there are two sides to every coin. Just because you are told, there is no need to nut hump only one side of that coin.
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#432 - 2014-12-07 06:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: FaDe-iN
Zappity wrote:
FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

Find the relevant section in the CSM summer minutes. CCP wants to put them on grid but this requires a rewrite of the dogma engine.

You are very rude. But then again you are also ignorant so why am I surprised?


Rude? lol come to work with me for a day. Would be the first time since you were a child you call for your mom.

Kids these days.

Edit: Man children these days! Kids still have a future.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#433 - 2014-12-07 06:36:07 UTC
FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Hold on. This post of yours was one of my favorite this year.

FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

The last time I saw a post that great was... sec, lemme find it thru google.


Reply seriously, I have not seen a single constructive reply for the existence of the current booster mechanic. Other then some random "I heard the Matrix will shatter" bs. Sorry but a turd is a turd no matter how u sniff it.

SSabot-Recons are a ton of fun, but in low, even picking your fights. FW will limit your engagement's, and trying to fight the griefers you will always be out numbered. And fighting the few 1-2 pirates that exist in the game still. Recons will get stepped all over from them. Recons have a very nice home in a small number of 0.0 alliences, or if they are still around Talk to Templeman, you will have fun there.


BB was my intro to PVP, and my CEO was once an FC for them. The politics and drama ended up more or less killing BB. I know it's still around but idk if Temp has returned from his latest ragequit ir not, lol. Spectre fleet (which btw guys is good for non-cloaky fleets pretty much all day and night) sometimes runs cloaky fleets too but I get tired of the public fleet thing, or fleeting at all for that matter, and I've severely pissed off one of their FCs not long ago anyway. Maybe I'll re-reddit his mail sometime and link it for u guys for the lulz. He was madbro. Lol

I've used the Grim with decently acceptable success rates solo, you just don't go after drone or missile boats with it and you're generally in good shape, and of course lasers and hybrids are better than projectile boats. I just trained into Rapier and I'm thinking it may be fun, if not a little slow on the kill while staying survivable. Trained into the Arazu not long ago too, and while I think it's be awesome in a duo (and of course it is in fleet) I'm not seeing a lot of solo potential for it.

idk, I do die a lot too. Big smile

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#434 - 2014-12-07 06:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: FaDe-iN
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Hold on. This post of yours was one of my favorite this year.

FaDe-iN wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
so why are you asking me to recount why off-grid boosting is stuck that way?


Cause I am not a tit sucking leache, I have seen the arguments about why EVE cant change, then shortly after-the turds like you flip there stance when CCP fix's a mechanic. Get on bored with why boosters need a change. Help your community, not hinder it.

The last time I saw a post that great was... sec, lemme find it thru google.


Reply seriously, I have not seen a single constructive reply for the existence of the current booster mechanic. Other then some random "I heard the Matrix will shatter" bs. Sorry but a turd is a turd no matter how u sniff it.

SSabot-Recons are a ton of fun, but in low, even picking your fights. FW will limit your engagement's, and trying to fight the griefers you will always be out numbered. And fighting the few 1-2 pirates that exist in the game still. Recons will get stepped all over from them. Recons have a very nice home in a small number of 0.0 alliences, or if they are still around Talk to Templeman, you will have fun there.


BB was my intro to PVP, and my CEO was once an FC for them. The politics and drama ended up more or less killing BB. I know it's still around but idk if Temp has returned from his latest ragequit ir not, lol. Spectre fleet (which btw guys is good for non-cloaky fleets pretty much all day and night) sometimes runs cloaky fleets too but I get tired of the public fleet thing, or fleeting at all for that matter, and I've severely pissed off one of their FCs not long ago anyway. Maybe I'll re-reddit his mail sometime and link it for u guys for the lulz. He was madbro. Lol

I've used the Grim with decently acceptable success rates solo, you just don't go after drone or missile boats with it and you're generally in good shape, and of course lasers and hybrids are better than projectile boats. I just trained into Rapier and I'm thinking it may be fun, if not a little slow on the kill while staying survivable. Trained into the Arazu not long ago too, and while I think it's be awesome in a duo (and of course it is in fleet) I'm not seeing a lot of solo potential for it.

idk, I do die a lot too. Big smile


TBH I was flying with Temp right after his last Rage-baby quit. Other then him I have not flown with any other fc from BB.
One of these days I would love to fly with Spectre. I have not have the privilege yet, but only hear awesome things about there fleets.
Grim is nice, I hear ya about Drones, they have become the go too weapon of choice across the board, makes me sad. Missiles are ok balanced, cept for the new pirate boat, but that has got to have a nerf coming-is the way of the mmo. Solo recon, I would go Pilgrim atm-picking fights, has the cloak/drones/nuets/tank. if fit right. all the others are awesome in fleets, but iffy solo.

Just off the top of my head. Been a bit my pilgrim had about 59k ehp-390dps-full high slots of med nuets/other then cov cloak-1:12 cap with cap boosters. 1200mwd. and kept small ewar for get the fudge out. was a great hunter. But with a heavy tank like that slow on gates so carefull of smart de-cloakers. Armor tanked.

Sorry thinking about it, it was about 900+with mwd. the armor tank really slowed it down
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#435 - 2014-12-07 06:53:23 UTC
FaDe-iN wrote:
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TBH I was flying with Temp right after his last Rage-baby quit. Other then him I have not flown with any other fc from BB.
One of these days I would love to fly with Spectre. I have not have the privilege yet, but only hear awesome things about there fleets.
Grim is nice, I hear ya about Drones, they have become the go too weapon of choice across the board, makes me sad. Missiles are ok balanced, cept for the new pirate boat, but that has got to have a nerf coming-is the way of the mmo. Solo recon, I would go Pilgrim atm-picking fights, has the cloak/drones/nuets/tank. if fit right. all the others are awesome in fleets, but iffy solo.


LOL yeah, what can we say, it's Temp Lol

It's been a while since I've run with Spectre, but I did fairly frequently for a while, and some of my corpies still do. It's honestly been almost as fun as BB was back in the glory days; at least as much fun as you can have while not being a Cloaky Bastard(tm) If nothing else, get on their mailing list, as they often have big kills lined up and/or know of a big fleet battle to whore on aheand of time, lol. I highly suggest it, you'll have fun man I know you will Big smile

And 1000 amens on the new Mordus boats. Yuck.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#436 - 2014-12-07 06:55:57 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
FaDe-iN wrote:
[

TBH I was flying with Temp right after his last Rage-baby quit. Other then him I have not flown with any other fc from BB.
One of these days I would love to fly with Spectre. I have not have the privilege yet, but only hear awesome things about there fleets.
Grim is nice, I hear ya about Drones, they have become the go too weapon of choice across the board, makes me sad. Missiles are ok balanced, cept for the new pirate boat, but that has got to have a nerf coming-is the way of the mmo. Solo recon, I would go Pilgrim atm-picking fights, has the cloak/drones/nuets/tank. if fit right. all the others are awesome in fleets, but iffy solo.


LOL yeah, what can we say, it's Temp Lol

It's been a while since I've run with Spectre, but I did fairly frequently for a while, and some of my corpies still do. It's honestly been almost as fun as BB was back in the glory days; at least as much fun as you can have while not being a Cloaky Bastard(tm) If nothing else, get on their mailing list, as they often have big kills lined up and/or know of a big fleet battle to ***** on aheand of time, lol. I highly suggest it, you'll have fun man I know you will Big smile

And 1000 amens on the new Mordus boats. Yuck.


Ty ill get on there maillist. could be a blast!!
Shade Millith
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#437 - 2014-12-07 08:59:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Shade Millith
Nerfing OGB is a buff to blobs, and a nerf to smaller gangs.

That's all I care about.

OGB needs to stay, or the blob is just going to get stronger than it already is.

Having more numbers shouldn't also mean that your ships are simply better too.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#438 - 2014-12-07 08:59:43 UTC
Zappity wrote:
OGB needs to die. Looking forward to the dogma rewrite. I'm under no illusion that this will be soon, though.

First beta for brain in a box is rumored to come in February.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#439 - 2014-12-07 09:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Varathius
First of all I think you chose a great but difficult area to start your eve career in, FW. I see you are still in a NPC corp. I have been playing mostly FW, and still dwell in those areas between alliance deployment ops.

First of all some advice:

As a new guy, join a good FW corp. In that corp, people will know exactly who uses off-grid boosters and who doesn't. Trust me, half the people that use it you will know by corp mates telling you. Second step, red mark them, and you will also have an easy time red marking their off-grid booster. Usually a NPC character or a 2-3 man corp character with no real kill record. To double check, you can send fleet invitations to see if suspected players are indeed in a fleet or not. The worst that can happen is that he is not off-grid boosting and that he just declines your invitation. The key here is to find out who uses it and then just red mark them and if they enter the system, avoid fighting them or coordinate with your buddies to kill him.

Not all use off-grid boosters (a small minority does), so you will easily find out who uses them and who doesn't. You will have a much harder time in terms of solo pvp with different situations, trust me, off-grid booster characters won't be your main concern in FW area pvp. You will soon end up setting whole corporations as red too. Doing that is a must for low sec solo pvp. Isk income is crap compared to null, and unstable and way to time consuming, while low sec solo pvp is an extremely expensive affair in eve. In order to reduce losses (isk), you have no other choice but to learn the hard way and then by setting a lot of people and corps to red, that will help you avoid future fights with OGB users and prevent other additional isk losses.
Jita Akachi
Doomheim
#440 - 2014-12-07 11:06:15 UTC
Hakuri Hanomaa wrote:
Jita Akachi wrote:
I use OGB myself, yes it's not a great mechanic, but remove that and i close asap an costly uneed account. I'm sure majority will do, pilot with ogb don't need an new "small-ship pilot".



Crius - Oh noes, the industrialists are all leaving!

Phoebe - Oh noes, the cap pilots are all leaving!

I shalt swim in your sea of tears, then laff when you're still here a month later Lol



Tears where ? I will close an account and still kill calmil solo, as i did before my boost.. With my OGB i can engage multiple target or linked pilot alone more easily, that's all. But with my gang we already **** some linked gang in Heyd being outnumbered and unlinked, link is not that powerfull.

Hakuri Hanomaa wrote:
How do u know its an isolated minority? I already linked the quote from a Dev who said last yr that the majority of Eve players are solo players. Im not calling you out as wrong, I'm asking where/how that info comes from.



Solo lvl4 mission runner are the majority, and ?

Sir Constantin wrote:

250Km is too far and safe, he needs to be in a position where there is a 50% chance of dying.
You don't always know that you're fighting agains a boosted player, and when you find out it's too late.


Grid is grid, it will never be an aoe if dev are right, and it's far more that 250km, you will still have to rush the boost (probably stabbed and aligned) and die if you are solo, but inside plex with gate you will be OK..