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I want ISK Titan Smash! 3rd January 2015 - TIME CHANGED TO 7PM!!!

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-01-04 05:19:16 UTC
I'm more offended that folks didn't think the titan would be defended, either intentionally or otherwise. It should just be assumed that someone else will want to make your fun harder.
Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#42 - 2015-01-04 06:01:18 UTC
It's not the defense that surprised me as new player to this type of stuff. I expected that at least.

It was the offense of the "defensive team".

I think everyone expected someone to mix things up, but not the fleet hired to fly and defend the titan by iwantisk.

This was not a coordinated 1000 other pilots vs 220... it was 220+ mostly tech III with logi, carriers with triage support, and Erebus running gangs boosts to all of that.

They were clearly the biggest group there, simple as that. They fit vs fleets they KNEW were coming, this was like really bad one sided fleet fight with a bunch of stragglers and a few small fleets not coordinated. Nothing more.

For a Titan "smash"? Then the pilot rips out all the decent mods before the titan dies? I mean it feels weird. On one hand they invited all of EVE to get on a titan kill mail, but someone make sure nothing drops except a mod to big to carry off by the defending fleet and civ mods. Who coordinated that type of move?

It just felt weird to me, I was on the KM no "tears" to be had, but I know you like to use your cool terms as your circle jerk on each other.

I not the only one that left that "event' thinking wtf... not mad, it was content.. but a lot of wtf that didn't make sense. More will come with time.
Prudii
Vector Galactic
#43 - 2015-01-04 07:27:25 UTC
Mochalatte wrote:

It was the offense of the "defensive team".

I think everyone expected someone to mix things up, but not the fleet hired to fly and defend the titan by iwantisk.

This was not a coordinated 1000 other pilots vs 220... it was 220+ mostly tech III with logi, carriers with triage support, and Erebus running gangs boosts to all of that.

They were clearly the biggest group there, simple as that. They fit vs fleets they KNEW were coming, this was like really bad one sided fleet fight with a bunch of stragglers and a few small fleets not coordinated. Nothing more.


How any of this was a surprise too you I haven't the foggiest.

What did you want the defense fleet to do? Just sit there and rep the titan while you killed them. Second get this idea that the defense fleet was hired by IWANTISK, It wasn't.

Now your assumption about what the defence fleet had is indeed true, the defense fleet came in armor T3s with Guardian's and archon support.
However you are completely off the mark about what the defense fleet was up against.

Long before most of the pubbies like RVB and specter fleet even came on grid or in system for that matter the defense fleet was brawling it out with Gorgon Empire's machariel fleet that killed a number of the defense fleets logistics and a few of the dps ships as well.

And when the NPSI people did come on grid it was not in random small ships like cruisers with little to no logi. No they came with around 400 armor battleships with more logi and more carriers then the defense fleet, that's not counting the mass of random other ships that came, add too that the 12 I think bhaalgorns and a handful of vindicators.

Yes the defense fleet was assisted by the small AF fleet from the CFC but even counting that the defense fleet was up against over four times their numbers.

Stop acting like you lost because we cheated, we don't cheat, we're just plain better. Better pilots, better equipped, better prepared, and last but certainly not least better leadership.

Better luck next time.
Jayne Fillon
#44 - 2015-01-04 07:37:56 UTC
Prudii wrote:
...and last but certainly not least better leadership.
OUCH Shocked

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#45 - 2015-01-04 08:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mochalatte
Prudii wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:

It was the offense of the "defensive team".

I think everyone expected someone to mix things up, but not the fleet hired to fly and defend the titan by iwantisk.

This was not a coordinated 1000 other pilots vs 220... it was 220+ mostly tech III with logi, carriers with triage support, and Erebus running gangs boosts to all of that.

They were clearly the biggest group there, simple as that. They fit vs fleets they KNEW were coming, this was like really bad one sided fleet fight with a bunch of stragglers and a few small fleets not coordinated. Nothing more.


How any of this was a surprise too you I haven't the foggiest.

What did you want the defense fleet to do? Just sit there and rep the titan while you killed them. Second get this idea that the defense fleet was hired by IWANTISK, It wasn't.

Now your assumption about what the defence fleet had is indeed true, the defense fleet came in armor T3s with Guardian's and archon support.
However you are completely off the mark about what the defense fleet was up against.

Long before most of the pubbies like RVB and specter fleet even came on grid or in system for that matter the defense fleet was brawling it out with Gorgon Empire's machariel fleet that killed a number of the defense fleets logistics and a few of the dps ships as well.

And when the NPSI people did come on grid it was not in random small ships like cruisers with little to no logi. No they came with around 400 armor battleships with more logi and more carriers then the defense fleet, that's not counting the mass of random other ships that came, add too that the 12 I think bhaalgorns and a handful of vindicators.

Yes the defense fleet was assisted by the small AF fleet from the CFC but even counting that the defense fleet was up against over four times their numbers.

Stop acting like you lost because we cheated, we don't cheat, we're just plain better. Better pilots, better equipped, better prepared, and last but certainly not least better leadership.

Better luck next time.


Host the event, has knowledge what to stock ships, anyone dies... "reships" ok your right your just awesome.... lawl.
Prudii
Vector Galactic
#46 - 2015-01-04 08:18:57 UTC
Mochalatte wrote:
Host the event, has knowledge what to stock ships, anyone dies... "reships" ok your right your just awesome.... lawl.


Stock ships? What the hell are you talking about? No ships where stocked. All those logis we reshiped into were brought in by carriers during the fight to a cyno I lit.
Ithica Hawk
Overload This
Escalation Theory
#47 - 2015-01-04 08:35:43 UTC
Mochalatte wrote:
This defensive fleet that was "hired" by iwantisk...


We were hired? Sh*t, best collect my wages son.

Also, where did this idea that the drake was in the defence fleet come from?
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#48 - 2015-01-04 08:43:30 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
It was a big fight and they kept it going by repping the titan and not making it easy to get on the killmail. I have nothing against that. If you do, I have to assume you were just looking for an easy button to get 20 billion isk and are mad that you didn't get that. It didn't happen that way. Oh well, fun was had anyway. Let's do it again!


As one of the FCs of one of the many groups there to maybe pew the titan, I actually had more fun fighting the defence force - who were as ever amazingly on point and very well drilled (especially up against the ragtag NPSI Golden Fleet!) - and annihilating various other parties than I would have had the titan not been defended.

Big fights are one of the reasons I play and help direct the communities I am a part of in game, so to have one in this event and to lead such a shiny fleet as part of it, I am happy with how it went overall.
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#49 - 2015-01-04 08:46:45 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
I'm more offended that folks didn't think the titan would be defended, either intentionally or otherwise. It should just be assumed that someone else will want to make your fun harder.



I said in post mortem after the thing, given the opportunity I would have done exactly what you guys did and defended it. Mostly for the tears from members of my own community ;D
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#50 - 2015-01-04 09:56:07 UTC
It was great. The titan itself was less than half the event. Good job all round.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#51 - 2015-01-04 10:32:59 UTC
Grats to Nashh Kadavr on geting on the titan kill and 105 other.
The way that fleet and the titan co-oped was a suprise

I want ISK seems to acknowledge that.

For me i got all i needed from the "event" besides any prize(as always)


Wonder when will we have that T3 rebalance ? Mang



CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2015-01-04 12:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Garnoo
i see people are surprised (and angry) about defense fleet... a titan without support dies in 5min against 40-50 hacs, and there were thousands ships, i can only imagine anger if titan would be dead after 1-2min...

after few hours and titan still alive (it was getting late) when there were not enough to kill it it refited to lol-tank (your choice: not killing pimped titan or killing nottanked one), last serious force on the field was the defensive fleet and titan was supposed to die so there was no other choice

People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back -  EvE
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#53 - 2015-01-04 13:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Lots of bitter in this thread.

Fight was awesome, most fun I have had in a large scale fight in a long time, as for the accusations that it was rigged, you can't honestly expect to just show up, pap a Titan then go home in 90% TIDI, thats not fun for anybody.

Second, if you bring 22 Carriers, 2(?) Dreads, 140+ Apocs, 160+ Navpocs, 100+ Logistics (Including TI and TII) and then about 200 other **** random stuff on top of that and call out that the fleet with 120 DPS, around 70 Support (Logistics and Tackle TIIIs) and 4 Triage (a few combat Archons were present but had no impact on the subcap fight that I am awares) for cheating for having Erebus boosts, you just aren't trying hard enough.
Azriel Pazzuzu
Best Kept Dunked
#54 - 2015-01-04 15:01:31 UTC
Hey lamecoffenamedrvbperson


Because figuring out how to tank against a laser in a t3 is so hard... and ooooh yeah carriers don't fly around with refits in their cargo in case dmg or situations change... ohh they also dont carry other ships in case they are needed....

Stagnant game play much mochalatte?
Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
#55 - 2015-01-04 15:23:41 UTC
Was a great night.

As for the comments about alleged dirty tricks...this is Eve Smile Isn't that kind of shenanigans supposed to be part of the game?

+1 would participate again.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-01-04 15:55:06 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
I'm more offended that folks didn't think the titan would be defended, either intentionally or otherwise. It should just be assumed that someone else will want to make your fun harder.



I said in post mortem after the thing, given the opportunity I would have done exactly what you guys did and defended it. Mostly for the tears from members of my own community ;D


Actually I was fleeted up with RvB and just buzzed around cloaked up telling the fleet where side fights were happening. After doing my sightseeing, I decloaked and shot the Erebus a few times before Goonswarm happiky sent me packing. Good times!
Prudii
Vector Galactic
#57 - 2015-01-04 16:44:55 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Grats to Nashh Kadavr on geting on the titan kill and 105 other.
The way that fleet and the titan co-oped was a suprise

I want ISK seems to acknowledge that.

For me i got all i needed from the "event" besides any prize(as always)


Wonder when will we have that T3 rebalance ? Mang





I want ISK has their heads firmly up their rears if they think the defense fleet should have been unarmed. Dear God IWANTISK, really, I mean really no weapons. Do you even play this game? Do you have any concept of what most people in this game like to do? Well let me tell you. We like to shoot things, and we have even more fun if they shoot back.

To be honest Mang and Jayne did a great job with what they had and if they had switched out 60 of your laser BS with 30 rail megas and 30 arty tempests the fight may have gone differently.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#58 - 2015-01-04 19:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Prudii wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Grats to Nashh Kadavr on geting on the titan kill and 105 other.
The way that fleet and the titan co-oped was a suprise

I want ISK seems to acknowledge that.

For me i got all i needed from the "event" besides any prize(as always)


Wonder when will we have that T3 rebalance ? Mang





I want ISK has their heads firmly up their rears if they think the defense fleet should have been unarmed. Dear God IWANTISK, really, I mean really no weapons. Do you even play this game? Do you have any concept of what most people in this game like to do? Well let me tell you. We like to shoot things, and we have even more fun if they shoot back.


Ehh... I know all i need to know about the behavior of people in this game
This is the first(i think) time when the "event ship" as we can call it was part of one of the fleets that were a side in the battle and then that fleet killed that titan.
In past events the "event ships" were mostly solo or with logi support as a neutral sacrificial lambs... and they didn't die in 5 mins or whatever... fleets that came usualy shoot each other first.

The real thing is that this is an event and one could asume the organizator or the sponsor(one could assume they care about the reputation they get or lose from the falowing) wants to flesh out the rules of it so that the one that take part won't be disapointed.

I to fit a fleet againts my enemy damage(that negates the enemy numbers to a point) and expect to lose... beacause by doin'g so you increase the chance of lossing ?

But seems the organizer and his "defence fleet" verion of events is final and nothing will change it.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Emma DiLivio
DiLivio Biomedicals
#59 - 2015-01-04 21:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Emma DiLivio
Mochalatte wrote:

Host the event, has knowledge what to stock ships, anyone dies... "reships" ok your right your just awesome.... lawl.


I'd nominate you for an oscar, but you don't know you don't go full retard.
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#60 - 2015-01-04 23:30:43 UTC
I put a few words together about this event, check them here:

http://mangala.rvbganked.co.uk/of-titans-and-golden-fleet/