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I have to agree that the jump bridge fatigue is insanely stupid. I'm willing to accept jump fatigue and all that but having fatigue for going through a JB that you alliance owns, in space you own and that you pay to fuel for each jump should not cause fatigue. JBs are so we can move around easily/avoid camps, we shouldnt be punished for using them.

If you get rid of all the cool things that you can build in nullsec, people will start to question what the point of living their is.

Jump bridges are still pretty cool things to have and use even if they're not "free".

Mike, don't you wonder why people are leaving Eve in droves since Jump fatigue was introduced?

Who? I have met lots of players coming back and seen a few go out the door but 'droves' implies a major exodus. PL closing down? They certainly would have a reason to if we took all their fun away

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Pandemic_Legion/stats

nope

Oh, Maybe it is the goons who are leaving to play H1S3 or whatever it is called

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation/stats

Oho, yeah drop in numbers right then in . . . May. 7 months later . . . well I guess their news sources are a little slow.

Reeses, have you quit? Or have you adapted? Have you noticed that Caps are being used? Blown Up? That there is action and battles and hotdrops and ambushes still happening? Or is that just exiting players liquidating their assets in big explosions?

Show me the droves.

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Right, because logistics and war have nothing to do with each other.



So you imply that only holders of significant amounts of sov can give anything other than "opinions based on anecdotes" and then you call Malcanis passive-aggressive? Wow.

From my point of view as a gate-and-wormhole-taking scrub, I'm sure it was nice to be able to teleport hither and yon, your "taxi carrier" protected by the threat of a giant hotdrop if anyone looked at it sidelong. I'm sure it felt really good to stride across entire regions uncontested. Ah, the glory of Empire! The problem is that it sucked for everyone else.

For every cap that's been retired because New Eden is no longer a pleasant Sunday drive, how many have been fielded because they no longer have to worry about Sunday drivers from the other side of the cluster? For everyone who sold their cap alt, there's a buyer who wanted it.

Fair question. Yup, used jump bridges when with TOLE under Engarde and then SCDOT. Not recently, late 2012. Not since because I have not been part of a null alliance since then. So except for some blops work I have accumulated very litte fatigue since the effect came into being and oddly it did not seem to slow us down very much.

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Would you go to a plumber for informed and educated advice on how to rebuild a car engine? Would you go to a mechanic to seek advice on your latest physical ailment? If you drive a Ford should I come to you for advice on buying an Audi?

I've stated several times that the idea of restrictions on capitals and movement by way of fatigue is quite valid, however the blanket use of the mechanic without much thought given to some areas was poorly thought out and in several ways too harsh. Never at any point in this thread did I take on the black or white view point so many others have that it's all or nothing.

This is just more obscurantism. A jump bridge isn't an internal combustion engine. A carrier isn't a human body. The ability to cross the entire cluster easily in one of the most (technically) dangerous parts of a gigantic PVP game (and call it a "taxi," as if you were just getting around midtown) is so obviously a projection of power that there's no arguing it. You know that, which is why you're trying to fluff this into some arcane issue that only the Illuminati know enough to ponder.

Get real. It takes about 10 minutes to get up to speed on this issue. Even Blizzard eventually figured out that hey, maybe letting players fly willy-nilly over all of their content is dumb. It feels great, and players get hooked on the experience, but it's killing the game.



But you also dodge any attempt to get a specific example that passes the laugh test. Whether you ever used it or not, your taxi enjoyed the implicit protection of a hot drop by the biggest power in the game--better protection than Yellow Cab gets from NYPD. Your logistics runs and your repositioning are intrinsically military. I really shouldn't have to explain to a Goon that logistics are strategically and tactically vital: you guys have the best logistics in the game. There's no separating these roles because there's no separation to be found.

Let me add a little story so far, mostly for humor, mostly for venting, mostly because CCP are all Humans are honestly aren't out to ruin their game (they love it too) and honestly, because it happened (in no particular order, and missing several other eye-wateringly cringe worthy 'balance' changes):
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"CCP: Oh! Let’s add a massive ship called a Titan which will cost a ton to build and make, do massive eye-watering-boner-inducing area of effect dps, allow it to jump fleets in while staying in place, and to shoot the doomsday through the cyno to the other end without having to be on the field!
Players: Yay! Let’s build 70 of these and bring them all to a fight!
CCP: Oh… we didn’t think about this very well. *Nerf*
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CCP: Oh! Let’s add carriers and let them carry ships, and ammo, and be awesome support capitals!
Players: Yay! Let’s use them to carry stuff within haulers to make 0.0 logistics easier!
CCP: Oh… we didn’t think about this very well. *Nerf*
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CCP: Oh! Let’s add Motherships! They’ll be the pride of all drone ships and completely kickbutt with a great name, epic dps, and essentially a giant drone weapon platform.
Players: Yay! Let’s camp low sec with these, fight epic capital battles with them, and solo plexes with epic drone dps!
CCP: Oh… we didn’t think about this very well. *Nerf!*
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CCP: Oh! Let’s add jump bridges and Jump freighters to make eve Logistics more interesting and easier!
Players: Yay! Let’s colonize whole regions back to back so we can travel the billion hours it takes to cross Eve, within a few minutes and make 0.0 logistics almost bearable!
CCP: Oh… we didn’t think about this very well. *Nerf!*
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CCP: Oh! Let’s continually re balance 0.0 sov mechanics to allow more alliances ‘access’ to colonizing 0.0!
Players: Yay! Let’s just form giant coalitions and split Eve into 4-5 parts.
CCP: Oh… we didn’t think about this very well. *Nerf*

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All said.. this jump fatigue thing is probably one of the worst changes to Eve since the Mothership debacle and item-shop-of-horrors fiasco.

The Eve Universe is HUGE, so unless this change is entirely to prove Yatzi right in his Escapist video - dated but still can ring true in many ways about how hard and slow it is to get around in Eve (and how the game is like a game that rewards you for not playing), then this change is completely terrible.

Also, using the logic about a null-argument about why jump fatigue is """""""necessary""""""", why do Jumpgates not give fatigue? Note: don't do this, it's obviously not a suggestion. What 'science' is behind that yet every other form of jumping causes fatigue (apparently - I just returned to Eve to find out about this nonsense).

Why have jump bridges at all now? Why have capital ships in Eve? We keep nerfing them anyway so why not get rid of them all-together? Note: again, please don't add this idea so you can lemming off the 'balance' cliff.

I'll admit, I like the going through jumpgates with a super or carrier - that's pretty cool, thank you CCP., but this fatigue thing combined with a reduction in range, makes the change more of a negative than a positive - also didn't think about the MASSIVE bumpage that would happen when x number of supers come charging through a gate eh?

Don't even make the 'sov mechanics' argument, as that's utter crap and shouldn't require nerfing the crap out of capitals via jump-trolltigue and breaking jump networks.

Apparently instead of "Rock, Paper, Scissiors", to CCP this is "Rock, Glue, Nerf."


*nerdrage over until next major game breaking change that CCP adds*