Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You mean other then incursion ships costing several billion isk each exploding every day because even with the highly well sorted fleets with grade A logi pilots and baller FCs who have their running down to a science?

Hell my crappy DDD ship (crappy railgu which i designed to be as cheap as i could get away with) costs a billion+ isk...

From my understanding plex prices are this high because faction warfare became a good money making prospect (thats what the former professor of economics said) and simply because people will pay the cost of plex no matter what the cost is.

And of course then there is the odd interaction between plex prices and supply, the supply of plex is determined by the sale price, say i want to buy a MOM (dont know why i would want to but say i do) and i decide to plex the entire thing... I need to sell LESS plexxes if the price is high, which means supply becomes more limited if prices go up.

That's a pretty funny argument..... Incursions (which produce less than 1/3 of the ISK bounties do) are responsible for Plex inflation. Let's try to reason this one out.....imagine incursions really were this massive ISK faucet that was flooding Eve with easy ISK....so what would we expect? Plex inflation? Sure. How about ships/mods? Oh wait, they would need to inflate by the EXACT SAME AMOUNT AS PLEX DOES because resources are just as scarce as they used to be.

Now let's see what is actually happening....Plex inflating...yep....ships/mods? Nope, in fact they are DEFLATING. Conclusion - The problem isn't ISK faucets - the problem is too much/too easy mining flooding eve with cheap resources which is inflating Plex while deflating ships/mods. So the OP's argument is a giant fail.

Which gets us to the real topic here - the hatred the nullsec "elite pvp" folks have towards collaborative and profitable PvE in highsec. The idea that people can actually work together in Eve to do PvE, and not to shoot other players, is just agonizing to a lot o folks. Apparently any playstyle that doesn't revolve around tears/carnage/hurting people is somehow illegitimate and needs to be nerfed.

If anything incursions, which are one of the few in game activities that don't reward dysfunctional and anti-social behavior, should get a big buff, with the nerf bat hitting suicide ganking, mining, scamming, etc....

Incursions are already dangerous enough with the massive dps on grid and incursion ships exploding right and left, not to mention all the time spent moving, the early mom popping, and the time waiting to get a fleet up. So no, nerfs are definitely not needed, but buffs surely are.

Much like income from renting out space is the source of "a tonne of easy and safe isk".

Have you seen the losses incurred by some people during incursions?

But its only problem of those ppl who lost such expensive ships ... nobody forced them to fly that fit ...

+1 I do wish there were less faucets in High security. The issue i believe isn't against incursions or their team gameplay, but rather of where that gameplay takes place.

Incursions scale so much better with isboxing though. 12 accounts will easily make you 1b/hour with little effort beyond the initial investment. I have no issues watching a show on my third screen or whatever while doing them. I guess it probably drives plex prices up slightly, as pretty much everyone isboxing will plex the accounts (takes about 10 hours to plex all accounts).

Fine, but on the same page, remove all gates from DED sites in low/null. It's ridiculous how there are ungankable pve-locations in null. You can gank highsec incursions, but you can't do squat about someone running a 10/10, unless afk.

Well you can go in, chase him away, take the loot and laught at him

As opposed to AFK Carrier ratting in renterland or WH escalations which are just soooooo dangerous? Fact of the matter is that nullsec rewards already significantly exceed those of highsec. People run incursions because they are FUN, not because it's the max isk/hour or any nonsense like that. If it bothers you that much (and that's a kind of crazy thing to worry about) go suicide gank them. But this crazy force everyone into nullsec agenda is thankfully never going to be adopted by CCP.

PLEX need to go above 1B. I want to see them at 1.5B at some point. That will be fun times.

People then start to properly sub their accounts again and don't need to grind ISK as much anymore, which will result in an a lot more relaxed environment in the game.