Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lockbreaker & Void bombs already exist. Void bombs are super cool!

Yes, and if they add your bomb idea thats ok for me, but part of your idea was to make normal bombs useless against everything bigger than a frigate. That would change the Stealth Bomber to a debuff ship. Noone goes out on a bomb run to kill a frigate.

In my opinion the only good solution would be a real good counter to bomb fleets. There is no point in making bomb runs less effective bc. its an awesome playstyle many people love. But a fleet whos aware of the existence of bomb squads should be able to take initiative of some kind to stop them. Something like a heavy cooldown pulse wich decloaks everything on grid for example.

I don't know but I'm not a developer so I am happy that someone else has to find solutions and make such decisions.

So a single bomb would make ~3% dmg on a BS. I call that useless.
I guess we have different mind sets on how to fix problematic PVP constelations. I would like to see a buff for fleets wich helps them to handle Stealth Bombers, you would like to see a nerf of bombs. Both would fix the problem but I honestly think that my way of thinking keeps the expierience for everyone more interesting.

Who the hell in new eden is using lockbreaker bombs?

By that train of thought officer fit ships should be pretty much invulnerable , but we all know how that usually ends up.... on the front page of our favorite propaganda website :)

that aside, I understand your need to protect the status quo, but do you not feel that fleets should move on from the standard orbit anchor and hit f1 methodology? Overly complicating things should not be the answer, but just taking the nerf bat to anything that does hurts the current meta fleets isn't a great way to nurture this game either.

My personal suggestions, feel free to disassemble them, are as follows.

- Change the damage formula for bombs to include explosion velocity.

This will allow speed tanking bombs an option and not hurt shield fleets as much. Also to note, this may end up buffing armor fleets since their sig is small as it is and theyll be moving too so the explosion velocity will aide their mitigation. Would need to consider reducing bombs explosion radius as well to compensate, but that will hurt smaller ships as well.

- Decrease bomb AOE radius to 10km. Area of effect would be reduced to 20km from 30km. This would hurt the large fleets that like to clump up and orbit / f1, while rewarding skirmish fleets that are faster and allow them to avoid the bomb damage without the need for anti bomber ships. IE instacanes and firewalls.

- Introducing an armor honeycombing skill equivalent for shields which reduce the penalty of using shield extenders.


*this one needs some fleshing out as its something that came to me recently.
- Introduce a module that disables launched bombs in a 10km radius.

This module would be a huge change for bombers. The module would need to be limited to BC hulls and larger. The cooldown would have to be as long as or longer than a single bomber can reload and fire again to prevent these modules from being overused to shut down bombing runs by itself. Having a single module shut down an entire wave would be unbalanced even if the cooldown was extremely long. Would have to require 2-3 of these modules to disable a wave. Maybe damage application mod for bombs only. Having it do omni AOE dmg would hurt dic bubbles.

Well I wasn't equating everything to ISK, evidently I was making my point poorly.

Interesting.

Area of effect weapons weren't designed to hit things that are not at the center of the area of effect

Void bombs travel faster but have the same range. So they detonate before the wave of damage bombs arrive. I don't recall if its enough however. I did do the math once with a half wave of void+DPS on things like t3s. Problem is you still need the t3s to be asleep for them to stick around long enough for enough wave to really do anything.

Right now, bombs apply full damage up to the edge of the AOE sphere. The way AOE works in $OTHER_GAME is that damage degrades from full damage at the center to 0 at the maximum range.


PS: To the one isboxing guy that seems to keep all of those null elite pro money bags from undocking these days: I don't know who you are and what you are up to (and honestly, I don't even care) but you can be damn sure I put you in my prayers. Give 'em hell! Isboxing was considered qualitiy content as long as it hit the small and the weak. Now that it hits the more equal than equal, it suddenly became a game breaking problem.

You don't see it because people stopped flying BS doctrines due to bombers. Kinda ******* simple point there.