Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Jump freighters did not exist, but carriers did -- and carriers, in that time, could hold assembled ships with any kind of cargo in them in their Ship Maintenance Bays.

This allowed carriers to hold a significant amount of items, pretty close to how much Jump Freighters can hold today.

In fact, Jump Freighters were added at the same time the carrier's ability to have loaded ships in its SMB was removed.

The first supercarrier that Goonswarm built was to be used as a logistics vessel.

In short, for a significant portion of the game's existence, jumping of large volumes of goods was possible.

And let's not even talk about using dreadnoughts to do roughly the same thing (because I forget exactly how it worked and when it stopped working.)

So yeah, it sure looks like the long distance travel team has their wires crossed. But one thing about Eve, it teaches HARD lessons. They'll either get it right or wake up in their pod, one or the other.

Please describe to me in more detail the endgame of eve. color and 3d models preferred.

I'm sure you played a game called Risk before. In Risk you can move your pieces to one adjacent square each turn. At the moment in the current status quo in eve, you can move your pieces anywhere across the board in one turn. I hope you can understand what would happen if this was the case in Risk, and therefore see why it is game breaking in eve also hence the blue doughnut.

and you wonder why CCP needs to take action ?

The "Sandbox Argument", in fact, is a perfect example of fallacious reasoning - specifically Non Sequiter and Special Pleading, and can easily be countered by Reduction to Absurdity.

All game mechanics and rules are regulations and stipulations of some sort. The fact that this is a game about spaceships and not wizards and dragons is a stipulation. The fact that a "cruiser" is larger than a "frigate" is a stipulation. Every game mechanic is a "Regulation" of some sort.

It therefore does not follow (Non Sequiter) that there is something wrong with the proposed changes simply because they introduce new and different stipulations, regulations, or close "loopholes". All game changes and updates do that in some respect; in fact even creating the game in the first place did so. Your argument, if taken literally, is that changes to the game are bad because they are changes and that a "sandbox" precludes balancing or improvement attempts (regardless of the merits of the individual attempts) because it might somehow affect player behavior. This is your argument taken to its logical conclusion and thereby reduced to absurdity.

There is no strict wall between "themepark" and "sandbox" but it defies reason to suggest that creating new rules (the "box" part of the sandBOX) to revitalize areas of the game that are stagnating inherently changes the game into a themepark.

What you are REALLY trying to argue (and will no doubt deny in a fit of "you can't read my mind!" despite making your real intentions pretty transparent) is that these changes somehow make the game "themepark" because you don't like them. You have some arbitrary line or criteria in your mind based on the gameplay you want to engage in, and this somehow violates it, so therefore it magically becomes "too themepark". This is Special Pleading at it's finest "These changes are too themepark and bad for the game because I don't like them!"

Like most people, you then make the case that this somehow means disaster for EVE. It is a common conceit of MMO players anywhere that any change they personally disapprove of means mass exodus from the game, but if MMO companies actually listened to such nonsense, we'd still be playing Everquest without any expansions.

The limit to jumping should be imposed on the cyno generation side of the equation where the sovereign owner applies restrictions which prevent cynos from being generated in their space. This would naturally impose restrictions on how far ships could jump into enemy territory because capitals would have to jump to the boundary and then jump through the stargate to begin the invasion. That idea would extend naturally into high sec when CCP decides to have Concord allow cynos there.

Huh, so...

Cyno jammers?

Well in CHESS...... it's like kindergarten. They give everybody the same number of crayons...err pieces.. and the teacher....err nanny... walks around the room making sure Little Billy doesn't tease Julie Ann and make her cry...

But some day you have to GROW UP.

You have to WORK FOR A LIVING.

You have to MAKE YOUR OWN PIECES.

And maybe, just maybe, when you are big boys and girls, you will be ready for Eve Online.

You know.... The SANDBOX.....

It's a complete political-economic-military futuristic space MMO ( Did you read the advertisement before you subscribed?)

The guy who swings the sword in this game is only as good as the smith who forges it.

Did the great kings and generals of legend make their own weapons?

They had better things to do. You want to find Excalibur in a stone and just pull it out?

Maybe you're in the wrong game.