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Suppose that's a step up from the current all reaches of null being all but deserted.

Could CCP create a second class of jump freighter that only has a SMB of 1,000,000m3 to replace the logistical side of carriers. Right now the most efficient way of movie to deep null is to carrier your ships out. If that can no longer happen there needs to be some other way besides flying each ship out or destroying rigs to repackage. Otherwise nobody will ever move out to deep null due to the time it would take to move even a basic kit of ships.

No, fatigue takes 10x longer than cooldown to decay, so while cooldown will be ~5-6min, fatigue will be close to an hour.

This is true. Logistics will still happen it just wont be Fedex overnight. It will be more like US Postal Service 3-5 business days delivery.

I said mainly.

I do feel your pain on the logistics side of things...its the only reason I use capitals as well, but I am a nobody solo lowsec player.

To everyone posting about the excessive length of time it will take to get from "A" to "B"....that's the point!

Back in the olden days we didn't have these fancy Jump Freighters and yet Moon Goo still made its way to Jita and supplies found their way back to our AO, magic? you ask, Neh say I, we flew ships through GATES laden with the spoils of our victories and returned with the riches of the new world...every week. And we did it as a group, no longer will the poor logistics officer suffer his weekly shopping trip buying the trinkets and tassles the ungrateful minions need, now everyone will participate in ensuring the safe passage of our ill gotten gains or next week there will be no fleet of Harpies to sting the enemies waiting at our door.

Maybe in your eyes.

But then again, you're wrong about basically everything, always.

@CCP Greyscale

You said earlier that fatigue modifiers were already possible in the code but I think a ton of people would be happy with a sliding scale based on ship sizes with a few special case exceptions:

0.10 : JF, Rorqual, Blockade Runner
0.20 : Frigate, Noob Ships
0.25 : Blackops BS, Cloaky Recons, Cloak Sub t3 (maybe start all Cloaky ships higher (.4?) and have a ~7.5% reduction by skill level in Recon, t3 offensive, blops skill)
0.30 : Destroyers
0.40 : Cruiser, Non-Cloaky T3
0.50 : Battlecruiser
0.70 : Battleship, Freighter
0.85 : Carrier
0.90 : Dread
1.00 : Super
1.10 : Titan

This would make it easy to quickly get your frigates deployed, then cruisers, then then fights would escalate progressively. Also, a sliding scale could work to stratify Carriers, Dreads, Supers, Titans and promote natural fight escalations.

Good changes, glad you're making this so open for discussion. I hope you make it as far as my post!

-Bjor

I slept on it and I think that CCP's focus on solving the challenge of force projection is on the wrong part of the over all problem.

Punishing people for jumping ships around space in search of enjoyment shouldn't be the focal point of reducing force projection.

In my opinion the cyno mechanic should be the focal point. After all this is what makes it possible to jump capitals around our fictitious universe.

By changing the ease by which a cyno can be deployed this will affect the ease to which a force can projected across the universe .

I worry that by imposing a "time bound" penalty to a branch of the game that has always been about the "sandbox" and the" immediate enjoyment" you will push Eve down a path where it will lose its identity as one of the best MMORPG's in the world.

Focus on the cyno step of jumping ships and this opens up an array of avenues from specific cyno ships, modules, fleet roles, limitations and certain requirements.

Cyno-ing requires 5 days with a new character and that pilot can cyno an entire fleet into a system with next to no difficulty. Personally this is part of the act of force projection that should be the focus, not the punishment to a pilot of jumping his/her ship around space in search for fun.

WTF i just upvoted a goon