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Yep, like I said, do THAT every day. If you get two focal points, might be hard. But do ONLY THAT every day - it makes sense, right?




It's perfect, no one said you should be able to haul dozens of ships across regions in half an hour.
Want to have the freedom of movement? Invest a couple of days into it, makes perfect sense.

And if there other attackers? You can't be at any place in eve in 2 hours like now. And thats awesome!

Subcaps can.

What local content. Caps are used for 2 major reasons, burning structures and counters to huge subcaps blobs. Without caps or the risk of having caps hot dropped on you how are you going to counter large subcap blobs?

When either CFC or NC turn up with 200+ guys flying Alpha Battleships + logi + dictors what are you going to do to counter them?



Sure Tidi is a pain but it rarely gets tot he point where it is unplayable.



Logistics will be insane with these changes. People really do not realise how many JF trips are made everyday ferrying stuff back and forth from HS to null and back to HS.

I have been watching this thread and I feel like collectively. You all are like Neo the first time he sees the Matrix for what it really is. You are beginning to see the possibilities. That blue pill is exciting hey?

I'm not quite au fait with current sov mechanics, but i'm sure most timers aren't less than 24hrs, correct?

Its amazing how many people have forgotten your quite large and now after these changes invincible Baltec Fleets.

Also being able to move ridiculously fast and be immune tp bubble with interceptors from one dread and carrier cache to the next.

It's disturbing that people actually believe we prefer to haul crap in dangerous and yet somehow still mind-numbingly boring freighter runs when we could just as easily make crap locally.

We don't make crap locally because it's impossible. If CCP wanted us to make our own junk all they had to do was give us the resources to do it. I don't go to Jita for the scammers, I go because they have the minerals that nullsec lacks. I buy modules because jump freighting crap around is a time-intensive PITA and modules are more compressed than minerals.

Sovnull built every titan and supercarrier in the game. This oft-repeated notion we don't want to build locally is absurd.

Everything from ammo and minerals to battleships. They aren't going to do very well if you starve them of supplies.

CCP Devs,

A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, but in this case there is a lot of medicine here for the average null player and not much sugar. To be clear I agree with the Jump Fatigue mechanic being applied to ships that can project combat power, so carriers, dreads, and supers. Right now they are much too powerful and need reigned in.

However the proposed changes are lumping two very different types of gameplay together under one heading here and then nerfing both. There is a clear line between combat power projection and logistics projection, where by logistics I mean the PvE and industrial elements of Eve. Combat power has to do with the taking of space, moons, POCOs, and other beneficial things that have timers and cause fights. Logistics power has to do with with the livability and gameplay experience of the nullsec player and it is working just fine.

The changes to Jump Freighters, Rorquals, and Jump Bridges will add major complications to the lives of the everyday null player who engages in almost any industrial or PvE activity without adding a shred of content to their lives. Eve PvE is already often quite dull and while this is not a bad thing in moderation (having to slog through 25 Forsaken Hubs to pay for that Proteus makes taking it into combat a lot more exciting) but once the level of annoyance gets over a certain point playing Eve just stops being fun. Limiting players to a couple jump bridge jumps per play session or making it take three times the effort to move a jump freighter to a market hub will only force players to endure more tedium without making them get more fights as a result.

The reason for this is that under the current nullsec income generation mechanics players are forced to spread out in order to make money; even at maximum military level the anomalies in a null system with great truesec will still only support a half dozen ratters. As a consequence, making it harder for them to move only makes it harder for them to engage in PvE and adds frustration. Exploration as a profession requires even more movement and would be hit harder.

However the problems of ratters will pale beside those of anyone wanting to make stuff or engage in trade. The nerf to Jump Freighers will cause the most profound and long lasting damage. Nullsec industry was just becoming a viable profession after the last couple expansions but this will cripple it again. For a lot of other game design reasons there is no such thing as a self sufficient region in the game so there will always be a need for items to be imported and exported; that being said running a jump freighter service is already a tedious activity with a very high burnout rate, if you doubt this ask the CFC CSM members about how many have quit in the past couple years.

Making their lives much harder will just serve to cripple the null economy by choking trade while at the same time making space far from highsec undesirable. I don't mean undesirable in the sense of "the big players won't want it so the little fish can move in" I mean undesirable like "nobody wants to live there because hauling in and out is a pain or just plain impossible if you aren't blue to the guys closer to the major market hubs because you can't get stuff."

Nerfing Rorquals is just the icing on the cake to this; all the infrastructure such as safe towers, jump bridges, and cyno beacons that makes null profitable for somebody who does not have the time to play Eve like a job depends on the trusty Rorq to maintain it because again that maintenance is tedious and not fun. Making it harder to keep up will no doubt cause a lot of it to fall apart, but right now all that would do is make it harder for players to play.

One of the major advantages of owning space is that for subcap fights you can use your jump bridge network to get ahead of enemy gangs and try to kill them; how would taking that away by restricting the defense gang to one JB jump an hour (or two but then none for three unless you are going to give it up for the day after that) and making them less effective encourage people to live in null? Its already hard enough to get fights without crippling defenders who are already forced to be reactive.

The null ratter already safes up when a red comes along because its the rational thing to do; there is no way a single player can hope to fight a roam. Under the current mechanics those single players can amalgamate into a fleet and try to protect themselves but after these changes help that used to be a minute or two away would take much longer to arrive. Therefore the logical response is just to accept even less risk, which generates content for nobody.

On a final note I think these changes would be great if they came as a part of a larger change that would allow and reward greater population density. More players in one place leads to more interaction, specialization, and content for everyone. If ratters didn't have to fly ten jumps at peak hours to find a system to rat then the infrequent use of jump bridges and carriers would not matter. If industrialists only had to ship to a couple major market hubs which had thriving markets and hundreds of players coming there to shop every day then the reduced capability of their freighters would matter a lot less. However until a system that allows that is in place please hold off on changing the logistical part of null gameplay; if the proposed jump drive changes were simply applied to the caps that project combat power it would fix the part of null gameplay that is truly broken at the moment.