Science & Industry

The Bloodtears, probably the most experienced nullsec miners that I know, repeatedly assert that nullsec asteroid belts have minuscule amounts of ore. Check the Bloodtear Industry Report if you don't believe me.

So, you mean the report that contains NO information on the standard asteroid belts in every system...
That report...

That only contains data on the infinitely respawning belts which are NOT what I was talking about. Well done.

So no actual data on the real values of ore in each, nor how it relates to high sec ore belts, since those have lots of little roids also. Which is what I figured. You aren't even bothering to try to adapt, you are just crying for CCP to change things to benefit you even more. You are already pricing High sec out of the ore market. But that's not enough of a victory for you.

Except those 'experts' are using extremely old data, and never did a comparison between Null Asteroid Belts & High Asteroid Belts, and did all their 'expert work' at a time when ABC ores were worth significantly more than low end ores.
So didn't bother to do a proper analysis as they were talking about how to get industry index up to get at the profitable large & extremely large belts. Not about the relative amounts of ore between Null & High belts.

So I stand by what I said. Null has 3-4 times the available volume of low end ore that high sec does, without counting the infinite belts. Even if we assume the belts don't get any better for being in Null Sec.

Press the undock button, then the warp button, and you'll find out. Don't be a lazy ass when it's right in your back yard.

My Null experiences tell me they have basically the same composition as high sec belts though, and I personally found that they had more ore per rock in Null also. Though I never used a 20 man multibox swarm to get enough data on total amounts per belt & respawn rates in either Null or High sec.

But... it's irrelevant if there is more or less than high sec in a way anyway. If it's worth more, you mine it till it goes away. Roids don't pop faster than you can lock the next ones so small roids aren't really a loss in time assuming you are actually at your keyboard since you can scan away and time your strips, exactly like people do all the time.
But that would require you to actually think, and not just follow an out of date guide.

The question about amount is only relevant to how much more ore null can make than highsec.

Certainly, all I have is Anecdotes. However I did not make the initial claim. Nullbears made the initial claim that it was pointless mining the standard belts because they contain far less ore than highsec. Read back through the thread.
Even if they did. It would still be worth mining whatever low ends are there anyway since they are worth more than the 'hidden' sites anyway.

So I'm awaiting the actual figures from said crying Nullbears to back it.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Asteroid_belts shows that down to 0.0 belt composition stays the same (in fact better since it includes low sec ores). Feel free to fill in actual information for Null Sec belts.

But the fact you are too lazy to press warp to a belt and actually look speaks volumes.

Relative to the size of the asteroids in the hidden belts. Almost certainly.
However that says nothing about the quantity of those asteroids relative to high sec belts. Which are known to also pop fairly fast. Hence why a relative comparison to very large hidden belt roids is useless for a Null vs High comparison.

You could grab a scanner, jump out to a belt and do a quick look see of course. It won't give reliable figures, but it will give a basic idea.

So rather than look to see if relative values have changed due to a massive meta shift, you will instead cry about how the system should change to help you out more....
Well, that is about what I expected to be honest.

I'm having a hard time figuring out if you are comparing Index based belts vs static high-sec belts, or if you are comparing Index based belts with Cosmic Anomalies. Either comparison is worthless though, so let's talk about static belts. Which is what everyone else is talking about but you.

The belts in null are pretty much the same belts in high, just with less traffic. The veld will cap out at the same numbers in either part of space. So will all of the other types of ore. You just have to find a system or two without mining traffic. Welcome to the high sec miners plight.

So Nevyn Auscent, and everyone else you are arguing with have a very good point. You should go mine some low grade ore in one of the many systems your alliance isn't using. Leave the hidden indexed based belts and go out a few systems and find some static belts if you need the ore that bad. Otherwise wait for the market in compressed ore to catch up to demand as I am sure it will given a few more weeks.

I hope that CCP doesn't change ore compression based on this argument, it would be the worst knee jerk reaction in history.