Science & Industry

Have fun.

Here, I'll even offer a hint: Interceptor-class frigates, when fit properly, cannot be caught, making it laughably easy to travel to any nullsec system you want. I see your snide comment about magic, all-knowing intel channels and raise you actual game mechanics.

I hope you realize that for a goon it's not about who's right or wrong. He's going to be a petulant child regardless.

Ah, throwing stones in glass houses, I see. I just posted the adjunct thread as I was asked; I didn't leap upon the thread with multiple alts in a hamfisted attempt to protect my nascent industry.

And you show a lack of understanding for how ore scanners work.

Anyway....

0.6 Averaged
Azure Plagioclase 23760 12
Concentrated Veldspar 59505 6
Condensed Scordite 26043 11
Dense Veldspar 56347 1
Golden Omber 7701 2
Massive Scordite 27667 6
Omber 7578 22
Plagioclase 21490 17
Rich Plagioclase 18740 5
Scordite 24867 18
Silvery Omber 7155 8
Veldspar 51593 13
Total count 121


0.0 Averaged
Azure Plagioclase 27912 13
Concentrated Veldspar 55814 6
Condensed Scordite 25542 5
Dense Veldspar 52040 3
Jaspet 2915 13
Massive Scordite 33760 2
Plagioclase 27821 19
Pristine Jaspet 2693 3
Pure Jaspet 2788 11
Pyroxeres 22866 27
Rich Plagioclase 26100 5
Scordite 25470 16
Solid Pyroxeres 21988 7
Veldspar 65214 25
Viscous Pyroxeres 23171 5
And about 20 more asteroids that weren't convenient due to awkward placement
Total count 180

Based on a quick snapshoot we can see quantities are about the same (Null trending very slightly larger in most cases but within reasonable ranges). Size of the belt is about 50% larger in terms of total number of asteroids.
And Composition of the belt includes highly lucrative low sec ores as well.

Meaning that Null has vast quantities more of low ends relative to High, since they have vastly more systems overall.

That report is from May 3, 2012 before the Odyssey patch which upgraded null-sec ore by a lot.



You are trying to use very outdated data to prove a point. Come on now... One small nullsec asteroid cluster (not the static belts) refines into:

99,186,139 Tritanium
15,512,976 Pyerite
1,603,670 Mexallon
780,091 Isogen
400,432 Nocxium
228,563 Zydrine
234,283 Megacyte

That is with max skills, 4% implant, and a 54% refiner (lowsec PoS mod). Let say you want to build lets say a Archon Carrier with a BPO of 7% ME, all the component BPO with 10% ME and no boost from PoS mods or stations. You would need in raw mats:

42,202,738 Tritanium
10,341,576 Pyerite
3,847,179 Mexallon
603,908 Isogen
171,169 Nocxium
30,702 Zydrine
13,255 Megacyte

One small asteroid cluster gives you all the tritanium needed for 2x Archons, Pyerite for 1x Archon, Mexallon for 0.41x Archon (Gotta mine a little more no big), Isogen for 1x Archon, Nocxium for 2.33x Archons, Zydrine for 7.44x Archons and Megacyte for 17.67x Archons. So my question is why do you big nullsec alliances need so much compressed ore from highsec when you have endless amounts of it in the systems you control? As you can see by the numbers a small asteroid cluster gives you about all the mats you need to build a carrier and then some. That doesn't even include what is refined from a medium and large cluster. Why do you guys depend so much on highsec? If you guys recruited miners, protected them, told them to compress at a PoS before selling it to you for under jita prices, you wouldn't need to rely on highsec for mats to build things.

You've got a pretty funny idea of how many belts any given nullsec dweller has access to.

Why don't you tell me -- right now, how many belts could I potentially mine?

This is the problem. The current null anoms provide so much m3 worth of high end ores that we are severely bottlenecked by low end minerals (mex). If we just "hire more miners" and continue to strip existing belts, "high end" ores will continue to plummet in price, and that's additional m3 that must be cycled before a new belt can be spawned. This is a fundamental problem with the nullsec anoms, which is why CCP has changed the ore comp multiple times on high end ores. They just need to flat out reduce the m3 of high end ores and replace it with low end m3 to balance out distribution.

It would take an incredible amount of man hours to locally source the mexallon for one super of any type. Meanwhile, we'd have a large enough surplus of zyd/mega to crash those prices below isogen levels. Then, mining in null would have such a low income per hour because of all the high end ores we'd have to cycle that it would be even worse of an actual profession in null.

A small asteroid cluster is a anomaly created from the Infrastructure upgrades "Ore Prospecting" and once it is mined out a new one within seconds respawns. So to answer your question with with one system you have infinite amount of asteroid clusters to mine and means you have infinite resources. By you just asking that question goes to show you have little to no knowledge of how mining works and what nullsec mining has to offer and you shouldn't be giving any input on how compressing should work because you don't put in the work to do the mining. I'm not trying to be Grr Goon just putting the right facts out there, so that people don't get miss leaded.

So the problem isn't with compressing then. The real problem is with what roids are within nullsec. So why ask CCP to change compressing and not ask them to add in more Plagioclase, Gneiss or Kernite to nullsec to fix the mex and low end mineral problem? You guys have your own CSM member on the team, so why not ask them to bring that up within one of the meetings? If CCP changed that then compressing how it is doesn't need to change.

Sorry.... remind me how many titans you loose a day? In fact how many titans have been lost across EVE this year, which has had the bloodiest titan battle ever that isn't likely to be repeated unless the goons have a civil war between titan pilots since no-one else has that kind of resources any more.
And remind me why you couldn't buy the ore from the renters (Which I understand aren't allowed to build their own titans)

Also, remind me why you didn't count any of the trit from the other ores in those belts. That's 1.74 Titans from JUST THE VELD! Most of those other ores also have Trit in them.
And more relevant to this thread, they are also higher value, and by mining them you'll also make high ends worth more again.
Which is the real point, it's Nulls own fault that high ends are worth so little because they don't make use of the other ores available to them.

I think we have found the issue though, it's called living beyond your means and unrealistic expectations.