Wormholes

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far. Keep it coming.

We completely agree that the potential decrease in available connections (especially to K-space) is an issue to consider heavily. Thanks to all of you who have brought it up.

We're doing some investigating into setting a timer that will make the sig visible eventually even if nobody travels through it, and we'll let you know what we decide.

The real concern is one that was introduced with Odyssey in the first place: instant and free intel about what is happening in W-space. We know this is something that clearly concerns you guys given primarily the removal of API kill info from W-space. This change addresses the symptom, safety for the PvE fleets, but not the underlying root issue. It also adds issues of its own.

In wormhole space, what we want, what you guys verbalize on the forums, and what the lore seems to support, is more unknown in W-space. Applied to this situation and signatures and the Discovery Scanner in particular, is that sigs and anomalies at 0% should not appear until scanned. Whether in the overlay in space, or whether in the scanner window, it should require probes to identify signatures in W-space. A value of 0% means you don't know anything about it, including that it even exists.

Only in W-space. Everywhere else, this is fine. It encourages exploration, and it encourages people to be exposed to wormholes more and more, ultimately leading to the increased traffic we saw when Odyssey landed.

W-space, however, should maintain its reputation for being a challenge and for being a place of unknowns. What challenge is there if you know, jumping in, what is there and what isn't unless you can already warp to it?

Because of the concerns over loss of connectivity in W-space from this, the planned change should not go into effect. Instead, as we have requested, the Discovery Scanner and the system overlay should be adjusted.

Because it would be different, some notice in the scanner window indicating that the scanner is not completely functional in W-space should be made, with the suggestion of dropping probes to fully recon the system.


The reason the timer option is bad, and that this whole idea should be scrapped, is that it removes risk. If I log into my C5 system, and I'm the first one online today and getting prepared for our farming session for the night, I'll scan the system. If I see only one wormhole, I could warp to it, see that it hasn't begun its natural cycle (or see that it has), and have a reasonable idea of whether the K162 exists, having a reasonable idea of my level of safety. I could also warp to additional wormholes, see that they are random outbound holes and thus also likely safe, and ignore them.

If, instead, I know that by warping to it that I will spawn the K162, I'm faced with a dilemna (ie, an interesting choice): do I warp to it, possibly spawning it, to verify that it hasn't already been opened, or do I take the chance that someone hasn't rolled into my system while no one was on, opened it, and then rolled off, leaving my now-opened static as the only wormhole in the system? What about that second wormhole? Is it a K162 or is it a random outbound? I have to warp to it, opening it, to find out.

Suddenly there is risk added that has less chance of existing with this change, and will most likely lead to collapsing that hole, also possibly leading to explosions.


Related to this, please also change the type of Ore sites back to signatures, instead of anomalies.

Because ist not made to compemsate bad Scout, but to give pvp fleets better time to prepair for rushing into a hole. Forget the Scout. Just wait until all fleet members arrive at the hole and then jump into with the whole fleet. 1 Bubble + 1 dps in each belt and each combat site and catch what is possible...

We're doing some investigating into setting a timer that will make the sig visible eventually even if nobody travels through it, and we'll let you know what we decide.

As of Hyperion, we are planning to have K162 signatures appear as soon as the first player jumps through their wormhole connection.

this is another great change for the upcoming nullsec patch. this will allow us to make better use of all the wormholes we get in our ratting system (from that wh spawning upgrade) for both killing farming wormholers while at the same time keeping our ratters safe if we don't want to pvp.

+1 from me.

also what is all these wh people doing commenting on a nullsec patch?